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  • #31
    Originally posted by Komandi View Post
    I'm confused. Which realm were dinosaurs in?
    Wouldn't it make more sense if the dinosaurs didn't make it on the arc along with the unicorn?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

      CO2 is also a requirement for plants to breathe and grow.

      The converse of this thread is that planting more trees - particularly evergreens - wpuld have a great positive impact on global CO2 levels.

      I am far more worried about deforestation in the Amazon basin and the expansion of African deserts than about global population growth wrt greenhouse gas levels.
      That fact that animals breath the by product of photosynthesis is even more evidence for evolution. I too am concerned witf deforestation however population growth leads to deforestation as more people require more resources and space.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by moogerfooger View Post

        That fact that animals breath the by product of photosynthesis is even more evidence for evolution. I too am concerned witf deforestation however population growth leads to deforestation as more people require more resources and space.
        True - and that balance needs to be understood.

        Plant an arbor vitae - the "green giant thuja" has the highest CO2 absorption of any measured plant.
        "The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency." ------------------ Pope John Paul II

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cornholio Farquarth III View Post
          Each child on Earth creates 58.6 tons of CO2-equivalent per year. If you really want to fight climate change in a meaningful way, then population growth needs to be curbed, and in a big way. Think of how much waste is generated by each child. They grow up and have even more children that create even more CO2 emissions, as well as other pollutants, and cause stresses on our limited resources.

          So how many here will assume responsibility for our environment and voluntarily restrict their breeding?

          https://www.theguardian.com/environm...fewer-children

          Intelligent people tend to have far fewer children than your average blithering idiot.

          I sometimes worry that this is significantly increasing the ratio of idiots to non idiots.




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          • Komandi
            Komandi commented
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            Yep. Real-life is actually the plot of Idiocracy.

          • powbob01
            powbob01 commented
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            I've been saying for quite a while that that movie is a time traveling documentary.

        • #35
          I saw a facebook meme yesterday that said something to the effect of

          "I don't believe in Global Warming, but Noah's Magic Zoo Boat is undeniable!"

          thought it was amusingly appropriate that this thread is active at the same time.

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          • #36
            Originally posted by powbob01 View Post


            Intelligent people tend to have far fewer children than your average blithering idiot.

            I sometimes worry that this is significantly increasing the ratio of idiots to non idiots.



            We're going to outnumber you soon...your days are numbered!!!!
            Roll Tide!!!!!

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            • #37
              Soon they won't have to rely on the electoral college and gerrymandering alone to win elections.
              ______________

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              • #38
                Originally posted by wasgtrjones View Post
                I saw a facebook meme yesterday that said something to the effect of

                "I don't believe in Global Warming, but Noah's Magic Zoo Boat is undeniable!"

                thought it was amusingly appropriate that this thread is active at the same time.
                Not sure why, but last week a video supposedly disproving evolution 'in two minutes' was in my news feed. It got everything wrong, failed to understand how evolution is a process of branching to make new species, thought that fossils were literally the actual bones and flesh of dead animals, and toward the end of the video's third minute, the narrator said, 'supposably.' There were thousands of comments from people supporting the video and also showing their misunderstanding of evolutionary theory and what fossils are....

                Whose page was that video posted to?? Joe the Plumber!!! I don't know why that got into my feed; I'm not his friend, but he's got way more friends than me!
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                • #39
                  Is this the thread in which a certain someone had said 'O2 and O3 are basically the same thing'?? It was that line about two very different chemicals (O2 and O3) that had me ask to have my ban rescinded so I could come in here and slap down some science. Maybe that poster dusted off his old chemistry textbook and deleted that post over the weekend? Or I'm just not remembering things correctly??

                  Anywho, regarding increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere and the greenhouse effect: For a very crude analogy to how the internal bond energy of CO2 allows it to hold and reflect a great deal of energy towards Earth's surface even when CO2 makes up a fraction of the atmosphere, consider preparing your cup of coffee. (The following is a crude crude analogy.)

                  You've got a big mug of black coffee that absorbs all the wavelengths of light and therefore appears black. You put just a few drops of cream in it; this cream makes up just a small fraction of the volume of the black coffee. The cream dissolves; no chemical reaction takes place; it's still black coffee and white cream in the mug. But! The contents of the mug can become very bright from just a little bit of cream. Thanks to the bond energy held within the cream (a lipid), now most wavelengths of light are no longer absorbed by the coffee/cream mix; instead, the light bounces off. This is crudely similar to the cause of the greenhouse effect and how a fraction of our atmosphere can increase the amount of light energy that gets trapped, bouncing back and forth, between land and the atmosphere.
                  Last edited by arcadesonfire; 09-18-2017, 11:38 AM.
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                  • #40
                    Originally posted by arcadesonfire View Post
                    Is this the thread in which a certain someone had said 'O2 and O3 are basically the same thing'?? It was that line about two very different chemicals (O2 and O3) that had me ask to have my ban rescinded so I could come in here and slap down some science. Maybe that poster dusted off his old chemistry textbook and deleted that post over the weekend? Or I'm just not remembering things correctly??
                    That was me. And I didn't say they were the same thing. I said they were MADE OF EXACTLY the same thing, but one is necessary for life and the other is a poison to life.

                    You do realize what "O2" means, and what "O3" means, right? I mean, you know what the "O" means and what the numbers 2 and 3 mean, right?

                    If not, you really should look it up.

                    I only took two weeks of Chemistry back in 1973. In that time I became the "go to" student in the class for other students. A teacher's strike ended my days at that school, though. Fortunately, I went into computers instead. Pays a lot better and is almost as interesting.

                    So yeah, outside of high school I have 2 weeks of "formal" chemistry education. But I read.

                    Edit: Here you go. There is even a nice movie. You don't have to read. http://earth.rice.edu/mtpe/atmo/atmo.../o3_creat.html
                    Last edited by RobRoy; 09-19-2017, 07:29 AM.
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                    • #41
                      Originally posted by Zipperhead View Post
                      Who cares about the future! The Rapture is coming!

                      Zip
                      'My Parties' Dire Straits

                      Now don't talk to me about the polar bear
                      Don't talk to me about ozone layer
                      Ain't so much of anything these days, even the air
                      They're running out of rhinos
                      What do I care?
                      Let's hear it for the dolphin
                      Let's hear it for the trees
                      Ain't runnin' out of nothin' in my deep freeze
                      To you I'm an atheist; but to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.

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                      • #42
                        Originally posted by RogueGnome View Post
                        'My Parties' Dire Straits

                        Now don't talk to me about the polar bear
                        Don't talk to me about ozone layer
                        Ain't so much of anything these days, even the air
                        They're running out of rhinos
                        What do I care?
                        Let's hear it for the dolphin
                        Let's hear it for the trees
                        Ain't runnin' out of nothin' in my deep freeze
                        Great record. Hey did you hear that Rob was the "go to" guy in 1973? We're so lucky to have him here on the forum.

                        Zip
                        665 - Neighbor of the Beast

                        Originally Posted by RobRoy: I believe that the only way Obama will remain in power is if he suspends elections. And at that point he is no longer president. He is dictator. But I don't believe he will even survive that long. It could be suicide, impeachment by BOTH parties, you name it.

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                        • #43
                          Originally posted by arcadesonfire View Post

                          You've got a big mug of black coffee that absorbs all the wavelengths of light and therefore appears black. You put just a few drops of cream in it; this cream makes up just a small fraction of the volume of the black coffee. The cream dissolves; no chemical reaction takes place; it's still black coffee and white cream in the mug. But! The contents of the mug can become very bright from just a little bit of cream. Thanks to the bond energy held within the cream (a lipid), now most wavelengths of light are no longer absorbed by the coffee/cream mix; instead, the light bounces off. This is crudely similar to the cause of the greenhouse effect and how a fraction of our atmosphere can increase the amount of light energy that gets trapped, bouncing back and forth, between land and the atmosphere.
                          Mars: 95% CO2 and really cold. It is also farther from the sun and the atmospheric density is only 1% that of earth's.
                          Venus: 96% CO2 and really hot. It's also closer to the sun and the atmospheric pressure is 90 times the density of earth's.
                          Earth: CO2 is considered a trace element http://climate.ncsu.edu/edu/k12/.AtmComposition

                          And mars and Venus:
                          http://zebu.uoregon.edu/disted/ph121/l13.html

                          This is much more complex than many would have you believe. The good news is that our planet's "just right" hvac system has so many designed in positive and negative feedback loops that it is VERY difficult for us to screw it up. Remember the ozone hole nonsense?

                          I have to wonder what the surface temperature of Mars would be like if it was located where venus is, and what the surface temperature of venus would be if it was located where mars is.

                          There are some fascinating answers to that very "what if" at this site which further explain why CO2 itself is not the real culprit, but the quantity of it is.

                          https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/...itable-planets

                          And to be clear, saying that venus is proof that too much CO2 is bad is like saying that the bottom of the ocean is proof that too much water is bad. But the question is begged and so far has no definitive answer (at least, not for Earth): How much is too much? But some people want to create a worldwide authority that controls and disrupts our lives anyway, "just in case".

                          BTW, once you add even a little creamer to coffee, it changes color dramatically, but you can then double it or triple it, or even quadruple it and the difference is not as dramatic as that first teaspoon. The more you add, the more you have to increase it to notice any difference. I think with Venus, it's a cup of creamer, and a single teaspoon of coffee has taken away the whiteness. To use a biblical phrase, "A little leaven leavens the whole loaf."
                          Last edited by RobRoy; 09-19-2017, 08:07 AM.
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                          • #44
                            Originally posted by RobRoy View Post
                            That was me. And I didn't say they were the same thing. I said they were MADE OF EXACTLY the same thing, but one is necessary for life and the other is a poison to life.

                            You do realize what "O2" means, and what "O3" means, right? I mean, you know what the "O" means and what the numbers 2 and 3 mean, right?

                            If not, you really should look it up.

                            I only took two weeks of Chemistry back in 1973. In that time I became the "go to" student in the class for other students. A teacher's strike ended my days at that school, though. Fortunately, I went into computers instead. Pays a lot better and is almost as interesting.

                            So yeah, outside of high school I have 2 weeks of "formal" chemistry education. But I read.

                            Edit: Here you go. There is even a nice movie. You don't have to read. http://earth.rice.edu/mtpe/atmo/atmo.../o3_creat.html


                            No, what you actually posted is this: "O2 and O3 are both just oxygen, but a minor variable makes one essential for animal life and the other poisonous. It doesn't mean oxygen is bad for you." (Comment #6 on post 19)

                            There is a LOT more difference between O2 and O3 than 'a minor variable'



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                            • #45
                              Originally posted by arcadesonfire View Post
                              Not sure why, but last week a video supposedly disproving evolution 'in two minutes' was in my news feed. It got everything wrong, failed to understand how evolution is a process of branching to make new species, thought that fossils were literally the actual bones and flesh of dead animals, and toward the end of the video's third minute, the narrator said, 'supposably.' There were thousands of comments from people supporting the video and also showing their misunderstanding of evolutionary theory and what fossils are....

                              Whose page was that video posted to?? Joe the Plumber!!! I don't know why that got into my feed; I'm not his friend, but he's got way more friends than me!
                              Boy, my one comment turned the whole thread topic...Anyhow it is nice to see you pop in Mr arc. Just do not go overboard and burn out here, right?

                              My one question is, after doing a bit of reading and studying, I have a very hard time rejecting all the samples we have of soft tissue in now so many dinosaurs that were found as being somehow 70 million years old or whatever.

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