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  • American and Gun Violence: Just accept it?

    With shootings happening at a seeminly increasing rate in the USA, and the NRA and gun enthusiasts not wanting ANY kinds of restrictions on guns, doesn't America find itself in a position where it just has to accept that a certain number of killings are going to happen no matter what we do?

     

    We can't have armed guards everywhere, and we can't screen everybody in the USA for possible mental problems, but it appears that we can't limit guns, or gun access, either,  With the amount of guns in American don't we just have to accept murders, suicides, and mass killings as part of the culture?


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    New Trail wrote:

    With shootings happening at a seeminly increasing rate in the USA, and the NRA and gun enthusiasts not wanting ANY kinds of restrictions on guns, doesn't America find itself in a position where it just has to accept that a certain number of killings are going to happen no matter what we do?

     

    We can't have armed guards everywhere, and we can't screen everybody in the USA for possible mental problems, but it appears that we can't limit guns, or gun access, either,  With the amount of guns in American don't we just have to accept murders, suicides, and mass killings as part of the culture?


     

     

    First off, suicides most likely are going to happen with or without a gun.

     

    But, what about the thought of fighting back? The thought of just waiting around for somebody to shoot you seems kind of stupid to me. We need more qualified people with CCW. The fact that just about all of these shootings happen in a "gun free zone" should tell you something. The NRA has it right, refuse to be a victim.

    Why do chicken coops have two doors?
    Because if they had four doors they would be chicken sedans.

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    • New Trail
      New Trail commented
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      Telecruiser wrote:

      New Trail wrote:

      With shootings happening at a seeminly increasing rate in the USA, and the NRA and gun enthusiasts not wanting ANY kinds of restrictions on guns, doesn't America find itself in a position where it just has to accept that a certain number of killings are going to happen no matter what we do?

       

      We can't have armed guards everywhere, and we can't screen everybody in the USA for possible mental problems, but it appears that we can't limit guns, or gun access, either,  With the amount of guns in American don't we just have to accept murders, suicides, and mass killings as part of the culture?


       

       

      First off, suicides most likely are going to happen with or without a gun.

       

      But, what about the thought of fighting back? The thought of just waiting around for somebody to shoot you seems kind of stupid to me. We need more qualified people with CCW. The fact that just about all of these shootings happen in a "gun free zone" should tell you something. The NRA has it right, refuse to be a victim.


      So, then EVERYBODY should be packing weapons for protection?


    • guido61
      guido61 commented
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      Telecruiser wrote:

       

       

      First off, suicides most likely are going to happen with or without a gun.

      Actually, they aren't.  Suicide is often an impulse act.  And it's a fact that households with guns have a higher suicide rate.  Why?  Not because people with guns want to kill themselves more, but because they are more likely to be successful at it because shooting yourself in the head has a much better chance of leading to death than does slashing your wrists or hanging yourself with a sheet.

      http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/risk/

       

       


  • #3
    apparently that is what the NRAbots have to offer.
    "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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    • #4

      New Trail wrote:

      With shootings happening at a seeminly increasing rate in the USA, and the NRA and gun enthusiasts not wanting ANY kinds of restrictions on guns, doesn't America find itself in a position where it just has to accept that a certain number of killings are going to happen no matter what we do?

       

      We can't have armed guards everywhere, and we can't screen everybody in the USA for possible mental problems, but it appears that we can't limit guns, or gun access, either,  With the amount of guns in American don't we just have to accept murders, suicides, and mass killings as part of the culture?


      Well, there's nothing to indicate that the number of shootings is increasing, and the NRA accepts the limitations already on guns, they just don't want more.

      But yes, if there are going to be guns, there are going to be shootings. However, a lot can be done about mental health, safety, proper storage, and a number of other things that would actually help.


      Enforcement of the laws in place, expanded mental health resources for teachers, coaches, parents, clergy people and others that troubled kids come in contact with is what we need.

       

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      • guido61
        guido61 commented
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        dblazer wrote:


        Enforcement of the laws in place, expanded mental health resources for teachers, coaches, parents, clergy people and others that troubled kids come in contact with is what we need.

         



        I've said this before, but I think it bears repeating:  for those who fear a government who wants to take all their guns and strip away their 2nd amendment rights, I'd be more concerned about a government who would use simply labelling certain people as "mentally unfit" to carry a weapon as a reason to do so.

        What sounds like the more do-able plan to you?  Starting with banning assault weapons and then riding down the slippery slope to banning all guns?

        Or defining those who fear the government and buy arsenals of guns as "mentally disturbed" and unfit to own them any longer because they present a danger to society?


    • #5
      New Trail: Basically, yes. Unless you know of a way to ban bad people.

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      • #6

        New Trail wrote: With the amount of guns in American don't we just have to accept murders, suicides, and mass killings as part of the culture?

        yup, it's not about to change

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        • sporter
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          There's an awful lot of guns out there. Even if we started registering every gun today, there would be an untold number of untraceable guns in the public. I don't think we can make a dent in gun violence in the near future, but in the long term, it's possible.


      • #7
        Guns or not......violent people will find a way to hurt the people they want to hurt.

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        • guido61
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          mauser wrote:
          Guns or not......violent people will find a way to hurt the people they want to hurt.

          Simplistic nonsense.  If all violent people and all violent acts were created equal, then this might have some relevance.  But that's now the world and how people work.

          Yeah--if somebody's goal is to kill 20 schools kids and they are doggedly determine to do just that, then they'll probably find a way.  

          But if their goal is simply to grab the weapon that's most convenient and kill as many people as they can before they kill themselves or someone else stops them, then it is completely ignorant to not be able to understand that the weapon ITSELF is part of the problem.


      • #8
        Guido: it isn't complicated.

        Violence is violence. Take the guns and they find another tool to use.

        Unfortunately, to take their guns means you have to take everyone's. And gosh darn it.....that just ain't gonna happen.

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        • guido61
          guido61 commented
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          mauser wrote:
          Guido: it isn't complicated.

          Violence is violence. Take the guns and they find another tool to use.


          And, depending on what tool they find, will greatly affect the outcome of how many people they kill per act of violence.

          Again, nobody is saying ban all guns.  Just reducing the easy access these random, impulsive killers have to the most egregious weapons that can most easily kill many, many people per act of violence.


        • Zeopold
          Zeopold commented
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          mauser wrote: Take the guns and they find another tool to use.



          Yah but there's no more efficient tool for killing than guns, and in the US they're pretty easy to get your hands on

           

          But likesay, that's not going to change



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