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  • Is it racist if it's true?

    Not meaning to be funny or snarky-  I'm serious.  The word "stereotype" comes to mind- which is more apt than "racism", but hard to ask the question using that word and getting the meaning across.

    I'm seriously interested in seeing some points of view about it-

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    I guess it depends on the situation, how it's used and the intent.

    You have an example?
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    • Kramerguy
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      guido61 wrote:
      I guess it depends on the situation, how it's used and the intent.

      You have an example?

      I dunno, let's say violent crime.  Someone might mention that violent crime committed in some ghetto neighborhood and that the stats say 10% of all the blacks there commit violent crimes , yet only 2% of whites do.. let's assume those are facts- are the facts racist?  Is the person who repeats them racist?

       

      How about stereotypes?  I've noticed that most (but not all) stereotypes have some element of truth to them, for instance- when I sold cars (for a short time), all 16 other salesmen told me when I started:

      You see an asian, RUN - they will kick tires all day and waste your time.  They never buy.

      You see a middle eastern person, HIDE - they will do nothing but attempt to barter the price down to half dealer invoice, you can't sell them anything because they refuse to pay asking price, discounted price, or even dealer invoice.  They never buy.

      You see a mixed-race couple, RUN and HIDE - they have the worst combined credit history you will ever see and can't even qualify for the "risky" loans.

      At first I thought they were all full of **bleep**.. I laughed it off and approached anyone who drove onto the lot

      yet... ALL of those things turned out to be 100% true over the 5 months I was there.  By month 5, I too RAN and HID when I saw these people coming.  It was a financial death sentence to talk to them.

      Would that make me a racist?


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    Kramerguy wrote:

    Not meaning to be funny or snarky-  I'm serious.  The word "stereotype" comes to mind- which is more apt than "racism", but hard to ask the question using that word and getting the meaning across.

    I'm seriously interested in seeing some points of view about it-


    Is what racist if it's true?

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    • #4

      The problem with stereotypes -- or any kind of generalization -- is that there may be some truth to them, but stereotypes do not cover all people all of the time. If you're going to make sweeping statements about a group of people, you will either end up wrong about many of them, or you are not taking other factors into consideration. If the mixed-race couples, Asians and Middle Eastern folks live in low-income or high-crime areas, or in ethnic enclaves where many of the residents are newcomers to America, you will get one set of behaviours. If people from those same ethnic groups are second-or-third generation native-born Americans, have good incomes and live in well-to-do neighbourhoods, your perceptions will be way, way off.

      Given all of that, it is equally wrong to expect that all white folks will be honest, hard-working, good at managing their money and willing to pay retail. This is particularly true if you live in "white trash" areas, or someplace that depends on the tourist trade for much of its economy. I grew up in an area that was periodically overrun by NiYawk tourists; I'm sure that there are many fine people in "Da Siddie," but the ones I met were just rich enough to be absolute a-holes.

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        White people can't dance!mad

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      Yes, facts can be racist.

       

      And unless you call someone "racist" three times a day...you're a radist.

       

      That's the rules.

       

       

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      • Kramerguy
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        nedezero1 wrote:

        Yes, facts can be racist.

         

        And unless you call someone "racist" three times a day...you're a radist.

         

        That's the rules.

         

         


        What's funny is the reason I started this thread was becuase I've been seeing people in other threads flying off the handle with the "racist!" accusations like it was going out of style.  What's up with that?













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