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  • Arm the teachers? Check out the Johns Hopkins study

    146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

    A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

    Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

    And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

    Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??
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    coyote-1 wrote:
    146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

    A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

    Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

    And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

    Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

    Hey! Since when do you dare bring in dem dar facts and figures thingies. Repugs around here these parts just don't take a hankerin' to that sort of thing. Careful, they's might be reachin' for them thar pea shooters.

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    • Ed
      Ed commented
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      Inmates have already shown a propensity to ignoring things like laws, and the correctional officers are not concerned with anything more natural than going home alive. The reason why you dont want inmates armed is because they are against their will, so that is a ridiculous argument to make.

      The hospital thing, if true, is a problem for health care workers because they often blame the staff for not performing a miracle. Tensions often run really high in hospitals, when a loved one is placed in the hands of those people, and things just don't work out.

      So yeah, get back to me when most school shootings occur with guns taken from teachers or resource officers.


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    coyote-1 wrote:

    And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

    Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

    Umm comparing to prisons to schools?

     

    You do realize there's about 100:1 ratio of violent killers to prison guards ratio right?

     

    And, there's a lot of firearms in prisons. It's just they're on the secondary layer of security to prevent escape and riots.

     

    Based on your logic, cops shouldn't be armed either.

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    • coyote-1
      coyote-1 commented
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      Further data: 13% of hospital shootings occur in Northern cities in gun controlled areas.
      44% of hospital shootings occur in the gun-friendly Confederacy.

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    coyote-1 wrote:
    146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

    A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

    Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

    And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

    Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

    Most likely gang members or like types in the emergency rooms taking the guns. Shooting up schools isn't their thing. That's the domain of disturbed underage weirdos, who are usually armed to the teeth anyway.

    Undercover armed security in schools. One well trained guy is enough. Sharpshooter.

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    Phil O'Keefe commented

    I'm serious Daryl - my finger is hovering a millimeter over the ban button...

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    • Just Me
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      Daryl Flynn wrote:

      coyote-1 wrote:
      146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

      A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

      Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

      And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

      Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

      Most likely gang members or like types in the emergency rooms taking the guns. Shooting up schools isn't their thing. That's the domain of disturbed underage weirdos, who are usually armed to the teeth anyway.

      Undercover armed security in schools. One well trained guy is enough. Sharpshooter.


      Have you seen how big some of these high school campuses are? 4000 kids go to some of the schools around me - there is no way 1 guy can effectively patrol a school that size, you would need 8 or 10. 

       

      Which is fine, until the righties start complaining again about the money it costs taxpayers


  • #5
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/record-low-favor-handgun-ban.aspx

    In 1959, 60% wanted to ban handguns.

    TWO TERMS BITCHES! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    • #6

      coyote-1 wrote:
      146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

      A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

      Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

      And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

      Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

      So are you also saying that hospitals and other buildings with public access shouldn't have armed security?

      Non fui. Fui. Non sum. Non curo.

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      • Used2BMarkoh
        Used2BMarkoh commented
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        GTRMAN wrote:



        So are you also saying that hospitals and other buildings with public access shouldn't have armed security?


        At my kids high school (this was after they had graduated) they hired an armed deputy.  And one day he stopped an armed redneck who was coming back to take revenge on a girl who had dumped him.

        It's a small sample, but there you go.  There are no doubt kids back in that town that are alive today because of that deputy. No shooting, you could argue the deputy's gun had nothing to do with it, I guess. But I suspect it might have been different if the janitor was trying to stop him.

         


    • #7

      coyote-1 wrote:
      146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.
      ...

      Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

      Fantasy shootings are clearly a totally different sort of crime from what you quote here.

      Anyway, is that what the NRA said - arm the teachers? I thought they recommended guards at schools, which is a totally different thing.  It may make sense for some teachers to be armed, but obviously not all teachers would be candidates for that.

       

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