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  • Everything wrong with gun politics: Hadiya Pendleton

    As with the Newtown victims, Hadiya Pendleton is now a prop in the gun control debate. 

    The young teen participated in the President's ingauguration celebration in DC, and less than two weeks later, was shot dead.  Another victim of Chicago's pervasive criminal culture.

    Her parents were honored guests of the President at the State of the Union address, where Obama spoke passionately of the need for "reasonable" solutions to gun violence.

    But here's the part you probably don't know, and the part that anti-gun proponents would prefer you not know, and certainly not something likely to get extended coverage in mainstream media:  Michael Ward, Hidiya's alleged killer, was arrested in Chicago in 2012 on a gun charge.  He was sentenced to two years probation after having run from cops and tossing away a loaded 38 revolver during the chase.

    Now, the ratonale for the probation-only sentence, according to people familiar with Chicagos gang/youth violence problems, is that its important not to put young people into the system if they have a chance to graduate high school.  After the conviction, Ward was also ordered to serve six months of nightly curfew, graduate high school, and attend an anti-violence course.

    But peeling away another liberal layer of rationale for trying to "save" this young man from the harsh realities of hard time reveals additional trouble:  Michael Ward had already been arrested numerous times as a juvenille, on charges as light as marijuana possession and as heavy as robbery.  He had been convicted twice as a juvenille, and had already served a probationary sentence.

    While on probation for the gun charge, he was arrested three more times.  Twice for breaking into cars, and a third time for tresspassing.  In two of the three cases, the arrests were not communicated to his parole officer or the court where he was sentenced.

    Politicians won't tell us the Michael Wards of the world are the problem.  They won't tell us their sloppy, negligent bureaucracies are the problem.  They'll instead say guns are the problem.  They'll stand atop Hadiya Pendlteon's grave, and acuse gun rights activists of having blood on their hands. They'll ignore their own culpability for the broken system they've created and for the divisive way they strive to maintain power.

    They'll trample on the rights of hundreds of millions of Americans who are nothing like Michael Ward, and they'll tell us this is the best way to honor the memory of Hadiya Pendleton.

     


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  • #2

    YUP 

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    • Bowe
      Bowe commented
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      the problem seems to be people like this being able to find a gun easier than a McDonalds

    • Mr.NiceGuy
      Mr.NiceGuy commented
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      It's not really about guns.


  • #3

    Politicians wont tell us?  Seems like your rightie politicos have something to run on.  Lets hear them.

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    • moogerfooger
      moogerfooger commented
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      BUT BUT BUT GUNS 


  • #4
    Belva wrote:

    "Part of the problem is no place to put the Michael Wards as the prisons are already full of drug offenders. Another part is the easy access to guns caused by gun theft.
    Any records showing how many stolen guns are used in crimes? Where'd this Michael Ward get his gun? Did he buy it at the local five and dime? I doubt it."

    According to NCIC, only about 25% of guns used in crimes are stolen guns.

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    • ASS MURPHY
      ASS MURPHY commented
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      BA.Barcolounger wrote:
       

      According to NCIC, only about 25% of guns used in crimes are stolen guns.

      What about the crimes where the perp is not caught and gets away with his stolen or not stolen gun?

       

       


  • #5

    rbstern wrote:

    As with the Newtown victims, Hadiya Pendleton is now a prop in the gun control debate. 

    The young teen participated in the President's ingauguration celebration in DC, and less than two weeks later, was shot dead.  Another victim of Chicago's pervasive criminal culture.

    Her parents were honored guests of the President at the State of the Union address, where Obama spoke passionately of the need for "reasonable" solutions to gun violence.

    But here's the part you probably don't know, and the part that anti-gun proponents would prefer you not know, and certainly not something likely to get extended coverage in mainstream media:  Michael Ward, Hidiya's alleged killer, was arrested in Chicago in 2012 on a gun charge.  He was sentenced to two years probation after having run from cops and tossing away a loaded 38 revolver during the chase.

    Now, the ratonale for the probation-only sentence, according to people familiar with Chicagos gang/youth violence problems, is that its important not to put young people into the system if they have a chance to graduate high school.  After the conviction, Ward was also ordered to serve six months of nightly curfew, graduate high school, and attend an anti-violence course.

    But peeling away another liberal layer of rationale for trying to "save" this young man from the harsh realities of hard time reveals additional trouble:  Michael Ward had already been arrested numerous times as a juvenille, on charges as light as marijuana possession and as heavy as robbery.  He had been convicted twice as a juvenille, and had already served a probationary sentence.

    While on probation for the gun charge, he was arrested three more times.  Twice for breaking into cars, and a third time for tresspassing.  In two of the three cases, the arrests were not communicated to his parole officer or the court where he was sentenced.

    Politicians won't tell us the Michael Wards of the world are the problem.  They won't tell us their sloppy, negligent bureaucracies are the problem.  They'll instead say guns are the problem.  They'll stand atop Hadiya Pendlteon's grave, and acuse gun rights activists of having blood on their hands. They'll ignore their own culpability for the broken system they've created and for the divisive way they strive to maintain power.

    They'll trample on the rights of hundreds of millions of Americans who are nothing like Michael Ward, and they'll tell us this is the best way to honor the memory of Hadiya Pendleton.

     


    Except that Kenneth Williams wasn't on probation.

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    • rbstern
      rbstern commented
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      mdwagner73 wrote:

      Except that Kenneth Williams wasn't on probation.


      Is your point that Williams is an upstanding community member who never had a brush with the law?  It's possible, although I doubt it, since he's been described as a gang member involved in a multi-year, murderous feud with another Chicago gang.

      Meantime, he handed the gun to Ward just before this:

      "Defendant Ward admitted he snuck up on the group and they didn't see him coming," Sexton said. He fired at least six times, she told the judge. One bullet struck a 17-year-old in the left ankle, and another grazed the left foot of another 17-year-old.

      Pendleton was hit in the upper back.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/michael-ward-kenneth-williams-hadiya_n_2668972.html?utm_hp_ref=chicago


  • #6

    The problem is the Pro gun crowd have the money to buy off our members of Congress,

    Let the people decide.

    Lets have a true National debate.

    The 2nd Amendment should itself be amended to modern times.

    Unlike free speech and freedom of religion the 2nd is a outdated pile of rubbish in its current form.

    Yes we have a right to defend ourselves but we also have a right to be a safe society.

     

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    • GTRMAN
      GTRMAN commented
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      So how would you "modernize" amendment II? How do you define a "safe society"? 

      Once again, these are subjective terms and are at the mercy of an individual's interpretation.


      buckethead99 wrote:

      The problem is the Pro gun crowd have the money to buy off our members of Congress,

      Let the people decide.

      Lets have a true National debate.

      The 2nd Amendment should itself be amended to modern times.

      Unlike free speech and freedom of religion the 2nd is a outdated pile of rubbish in its current form.

      Yes we have a right to defend ourselves but we also have a right to be a safe society.

       





  • #7

    The irony here is that gun owners have only themselves to blame. Tine to cut down on their toy size.

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    • GTRMAN
      GTRMAN commented
      Editing a comment

      Once again, a subjective statement which is entirely an opinion.


      moonlightin wrote:

      The irony here is that gun owners have only themselves to blame. Tine to cut down on their toy size.





  • #8

    Anyone who thinks that Hadiya's death (and the innumerable similar tragedies that happen in poor neighborhoods all around the country all the  time) is only about gun control needs their head examined. 

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