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  • Question for gun control freaks

     Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

    Everyone?

    Phil SaidIf you possess the superior intellect, then it should be no problem for you to point out the logical fallacies and other problems of their position or post without having to debase yourself by resorting to ad hominem attacks.

  • #2

    A thumbprint does not suffice?


    John Ellis wrote:

     Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

    Everyone?


    A thumbprint does not suffice?

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    • Davo17
      Davo17 commented
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      RedRoadEnsemble wrote:

      A thumbprint does not suffice?


      John Ellis wrote:

       Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

      Everyone?


      A thumbprint does not suffice?

       

       

       

      not if it saves even one life...



    • Jack Walker
      Jack Walker commented
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      RedRoadEnsemble wrote:

      A thumbprint does not suffice?


      John Ellis wrote:

       Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

      Everyone?


      A thumbprint does not suffice?


      Compare a thumb print to the body fluids found in a dead woman's vagina. I have no problem with a national DNA database. That means when a crack pipe or needle is found, the perp can be arrested.


  • #3

    John Ellis wrote:

     Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

    Everyone?


    What's the connection between the two?  Here's something that will soon become an issue: electronic tags are becoming way cheap.  Not too far in the future, almost any product of value will have a remotely readable serial number.  It should foil a lot of thieves and catch felons with their gunz.

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    • John Ellis
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      thankyou wrote:

      John Ellis wrote:

       Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

      Everyone?


      What's the connection between the two?  Here's something that will soon become an issue: electronic tags are becoming way cheap.  Not too far in the future, almost any product of value will have a remotely readable serial number.  It should foil a lot of thieves and catch felons with their gunz.


       You want to be able to tie a gun to an owner.

      Why not just take it to it's logical conclusion?

       With everyone's DNA on file,  many crimes would be solved by a simple comparative test.

       


  • #4

    Start with Congress.....

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    • #5
      So registering inanimate objects is the same as registering human beings to you? Guns are as important as people?

      This love affair some of you have with guns is a sickness. It really is.
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      • John Ellis
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        guido61 wrote:
        So registering inanimate objects is the same as registering human beings to you? Guns are as important as people?

        This love affair some of you have with guns is a sickness. It really is.

         Registering guns is the same as registering human beings.

         What is your objection to being in a unified database?


      • Davo17
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        guido61 wrote:
        So registering inanimate objects is the same as registering human beings to you? Guns are as important as people?

        This love affair some of you have with guns is a sickness. It really is.

        rights should not require registration...they are rights. 

         

        what other rights require govt keeping track of them, in your opinion?


    • #6
      No. The guns are registered. Not people. Inanimate objects. Don't want to be associated with the registration? Don't buy a gun. Simple.
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      • John Ellis
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        guido61 wrote:
        No. The guns are registered. Not people. Inanimate objects. Don't want to be associated with the registration? Don't buy a gun. Simple.

        The guns are registered to people. Are you too ****************ing ignorant to admit that? 


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      They are registered to people. So what? You don't want to be part of the Big Brother registration, then don't buy one.

      How you gonna escape it if they register DNA!
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      • #8

        John Ellis wrote:

         Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

        Everyone?


        Why not? You hiding something John?

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        • #9

          John Ellis wrote:

           Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

          Everyone?


          why would you want to infringe on the non- gun owners' rights, like that ????

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

          lol

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          • #10
            This is the dumbest scenario presented yet on gun control that only serves to weaken the pro gun stance. Why do you guys sit around and think up this crap? You're really not helping. You only make your side seem that much more unhinged

            Before you start flapping your jaw calling me a lib blah blah blah... I'm a gun owner that doesn't agree with the AWB but believe that registration and BG checks are reasonable and responsible.
            "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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            • fatback
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              LithiumZero wrote:
              This is the dumbest scenario presented yet on gun control that only serves to weaken the pro gun stance. Why do you guys sit around and think up this crap? You're really not helping. You only make your side seem that much more unhinged

              Before you start flapping your jaw calling me a lib blah blah blah... I'm a gun owner that doesn't agree with the AWB but believe that registration and BG checks are reasonable and responsible.

              So why don't you all go with the back ground mental health checks then. I thought that was what the pro-gun lobby want - its not gun owners that kill people only crazy gun owners.  If that is the case then that should easily be sorted.  

              Phil


          • #11
            So if we make laws and people don't follow them then they are bad laws. Interesting.
            "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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            • guido61
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              LithiumZero wrote:
              So if we make laws and people don't follow them then they are bad laws. Interesting.

              Yes, that seems to be a recurring theme from the pro-gunners---"the bad guys will just get them illegally anyway".   Which, if you follow that logic, would mean we shouldn't bother with ANY laws.

              The whole point of laws is that you expect the bad guys TO break them.   How else are we going to catch them?


          • #12

            John Ellis wrote:

             Since, you're in favor of law abiding citizens being forced  to register guns, what would you think about a national DNA database?

            Everyone?


            Wouldn't bother me.  The US already has the largest national DNA database in the world.  Who cares if everyone is added to it? 

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            • #13
              I'm for gun registration/control and against DNA databases (except for proven criminals).

              It's not hypocritical because you can't kill someone with DNA. This is a moot comparison.
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              • Miter Gauge
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                tape wrote:
                I'm for gun registration/control and against DNA databases (except for proven criminals).

                It's not hypocritical because you can't kill someone with DNA. This is a moot comparison.

                Unless you happen to be a virus.png" alt=":smileytongue:" title="Smiley Tongue" />


            • #14

              A national DNA database would infringe on 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination.  To require someone to provide evidence against themself is unconstitutional.  Period.

               

              A gun registration database in no way infringes against your right to own and bear arms.

               

              Apples, meet Oranges.

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              • TIMKEYS
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                gtrjones wrote:

                A national DNA database would infringe on 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination.  To require someone to provide evidence against themself is unconstitutional.  Period.

                 

                A gun registration database in no way infringes against your right to own and bear arms.

                 

                Apples, meet Oranges.


                yet in the mind of a liberal , having to produce a photo ID to vote infringes on the right to vote.  


              • John Ellis
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                gtrjones wrote:

                A national DNA database would infringe on 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination.  To require someone to provide evidence against themself is unconstitutional.  Period.

                 

                A gun registration database in no way infringes against your right to own and bear arms.

                 

                Apples, meet Oranges.


                 In that case, registering a gun would fall under that catagory of self incrimination. 

                 

                 


              • moogerfooger
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                gtrjones wrote:

                A national DNA database would infringe on 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination.  To require someone to provide evidence against themself is unconstitutional.  Period.

                 

                A gun registration database in no way infringes against your right to own and bear arms.

                 

                Apples, meet Oranges.


                until they want to come take them.  


            • #15
              My car alarm just went off. I quickly dropped my obama phone and ran to the door just in time to see a kenyan man in jack boots driving off in my ride. Thanks Obama
              "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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              • Just Me
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                LithiumZero wrote:
                My car alarm just went off. I quickly dropped my obama phone and ran to the door just in time to see a kenyan man in jack boots driving off in my ride. Thanks Obama

                They're here....

                 

                 



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