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    Link: http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2013/03/28/beware-public-opinion-n1550967

    Content:

    "If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it." -- Abraham Lincoln

    History is full of warnings about what happens when people follow public opinion instead of standing by their principles. In its most extreme manifestation, public opinion might well become mob rule when vigilantes take the law into their own hands.

    Major media have whipped the crowd into its latest frenzy over same-sex marriage, or should I say "marriage equality," the latest euphemism, likely intended to make the masses more accepting of what was once unacceptable. And the masses, which increasingly answer "none" when asked about any religious affiliation or moral code, appear ready for it. The U.S. Supreme Court, not the Supreme Judge, now rules supreme.

    But there are consequences for living as one pleases. Look at the fallout that our culture continues to experience from the '60s generation and its throwing off of the ideals and structures of mainstream society. The "Age of Aquarius," and its countercultural revolution, has given way to an increase in drug use, no-fault divorce, cohabitation, out-of-wedlock births and abortion. Everything's fair game. Nothing's off limits. Anything goes.

    Now, we are about to witness the latest cultural domino to fall. Imagine states without boundaries and speed without limits. What same-sex marriage proponents seem to be asking the Court to do is to remove ancient boundary lines for human relationships based on what they wish to do. That opens the door to anything and everything else, depending on how well organized they are and what political clout they can muster.

    Personal experience, like that of Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), who announced recently that his son is gay, is now supposed to trump Scripture and the will of California voters? While most politicians take their oaths of office on the Bible, many of them prove by their actions that they don't believe, or follow, what's in it. Better they should place their hands on Rolling Stone or People magazines, which more accurately reflect the direction and attitude of contemporary culture. Perhaps Kim Kardashian should decide where the country stands on same-sex marriage?

    It's when individuals, not God, become the standard by which truth and right and wrong are judged that we get a Supreme Court deciding our ultimate direction.

    Some liberals believe the Constitution is a "living" document that must constantly evolve to fit the times. It is not. Some liberal theologians believe the same about the Scriptures. They believe these, too, must evolve, because serving God is no longer the standard; serving Man is.

    Suzanne Collins, author of "The Hunger Games" trilogy has observed: "...collective thinking is usually short-lived. We're fickle, stupid beings with poor memories and a great gift for self-destruction."

    In his 1882 play, "An Enemy of the People," Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen wrote, "Public opinion is an extremely mutable thing."

    Indeed it is and the fickle public, relying on the opinion of others, instead of eternal truths, to shape beliefs, is treading on very thin ice that has already begun to crack.

    Following public opinion can and usually does, lead to moral, social and political anarchy. I give you the Roman Empire and the ancient city of Corinth, in the event that anything about history and how it can repeat itself, absent immutable principles, is being adequately taught in schools today.


  • #2

    Though this particular column is using the homosexual marriage debate as the catalyst for this piece, the larger issue it is presenting is very interesting and worth pondering.

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    • coyote-1
      coyote-1 commented
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      testuser wrote:

      Though this particular column is using the homosexual marriage debate as the catalyst for this piece, the larger issue it is presenting is very interesting and worth pondering.


      I agree with you 100% on this one, testuser.

       

      It is awesome that, in the face of overwhelming public resistance across centuries, gays are finally, by sticking to principle, obtaining the rights the rest of us take for granted.


    • Zooey
      Zooey commented
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      testuser wrote:

      Though this particular column is using the homosexual marriage debate as the catalyst for this piece, the larger issue it is presenting is very interesting and worth pondering.


      Boo frickin hoo, the public is no longer quite as interested as it used to be in validating your prejudices.


  • #3

    testuser wrote:

    Link: http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2013/03/28/beware-public-opinion-n1550967

    Content:

    "If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it." -- Abraham Lincoln

    History is full of warnings about what happens when people follow public opinion instead of standing by their principles. In its most extreme manifestation, public opinion might well become mob rule when vigilantes take the law into their own hands.

    Major media have whipped the crowd into its latest frenzy over same-sex marriage, or should I say "marriage equality," the latest euphemism, likely intended to make the masses more accepting of what was once unacceptable. And the masses, which increasingly answer "none" when asked about any religious affiliation or moral code, appear ready for it. The U.S. Supreme Court, not the Supreme Judge, now rules supreme.

    But there are consequences for living as one pleases. Look at the fallout that our culture continues to experience from the '60s generation and its throwing off of the ideals and structures of mainstream society. The "Age of Aquarius," and its countercultural revolution, has given way to an increase in drug use, no-fault divorce, cohabitation, out-of-wedlock births and abortion. Everything's fair game. Nothing's off limits. Anything goes.

    Now, we are about to witness the latest cultural domino to fall. Imagine states without boundaries and speed without limits. What same-sex marriage proponents seem to be asking the Court to do is to remove ancient boundary lines for human relationships based on what they wish to do. That opens the door to anything and everything else, depending on how well organized they are and what political clout they can muster.

    Personal experience, like that of Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), who announced recently that his son is gay, is now supposed to trump Scripture and the will of California voters? While most politicians take their oaths of office on the Bible, many of them prove by their actions that they don't believe, or follow, what's in it. Better they should place their hands on Rolling Stone or People magazines, which more accurately reflect the direction and attitude of contemporary culture. Perhaps Kim Kardashian should decide where the country stands on same-sex marriage?

    It's when individuals, not God, become the standard by which truth and right and wrong are judged that we get a Supreme Court deciding our ultimate direction.

    Some liberals believe the Constitution is a "living" document that must constantly evolve to fit the times. It is not. Some liberal theologians believe the same about the Scriptures. They believe these, too, must evolve, because serving God is no longer the standard; serving Man is.

    Suzanne Collins, author of "The Hunger Games" trilogy has observed: "...collective thinking is usually short-lived. We're fickle, stupid beings with poor memories and a great gift for self-destruction."

    In his 1882 play, "An Enemy of the People," Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen wrote, "Public opinion is an extremely mutable thing."

    Indeed it is and the fickle public, relying on the opinion of others, instead of eternal truths, to shape beliefs, is treading on very thin ice that has already begun to crack.

    Following public opinion can and usually does, lead to moral, social and political anarchy. I give you the Roman Empire and the ancient city of Corinth, in the event that anything about history and how it can repeat itself, absent immutable principles, is being adequately taught in schools today.


    So much pablum....

     

    a) "God", or any other diety doesnt get to pick who can be married, people do.

    b) Still upset about the 60's? Lol, nothing happens in a vacuum. the 60's were a generational reaction to an establishment bent on war, drafts, and racism. Grow up, it had to happen.

    c) The constitution is indeed a living document. Ever heard of amendments? 

     

     

    too much more pablum to address..... you're slipping RR.

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    • John Ellis
      John Ellis commented
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      Just Me wrote:

      testuser wrote:

      Link: http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2013/03/28/beware-public-opinion-n1550967

      Content:

      "If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it." -- Abraham Lincoln

      History is full of warnings about what happens when people follow public opinion instead of standing by their principles. In its most extreme manifestation, public opinion might well become mob rule when vigilantes take the law into their own hands.

      Major media have whipped the crowd into its latest frenzy over same-sex marriage, or should I say "marriage equality," the latest euphemism, likely intended to make the masses more accepting of what was once unacceptable. And the masses, which increasingly answer "none" when asked about any religious affiliation or moral code, appear ready for it. The U.S. Supreme Court, not the Supreme Judge, now rules supreme.

      But there are consequences for living as one pleases. Look at the fallout that our culture continues to experience from the '60s generation and its throwing off of the ideals and structures of mainstream society. The "Age of Aquarius," and its countercultural revolution, has given way to an increase in drug use, no-fault divorce, cohabitation, out-of-wedlock births and abortion. Everything's fair game. Nothing's off limits. Anything goes.

      Now, we are about to witness the latest cultural domino to fall. Imagine states without boundaries and speed without limits. What same-sex marriage proponents seem to be asking the Court to do is to remove ancient boundary lines for human relationships based on what they wish to do. That opens the door to anything and everything else, depending on how well organized they are and what political clout they can muster.

      Personal experience, like that of Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), who announced recently that his son is gay, is now supposed to trump Scripture and the will of California voters? While most politicians take their oaths of office on the Bible, many of them prove by their actions that they don't believe, or follow, what's in it. Better they should place their hands on Rolling Stone or People magazines, which more accurately reflect the direction and attitude of contemporary culture. Perhaps Kim Kardashian should decide where the country stands on same-sex marriage?

      It's when individuals, not God, become the standard by which truth and right and wrong are judged that we get a Supreme Court deciding our ultimate direction.

      Some liberals believe the Constitution is a "living" document that must constantly evolve to fit the times. It is not. Some liberal theologians believe the same about the Scriptures. They believe these, too, must evolve, because serving God is no longer the standard; serving Man is.

      Suzanne Collins, author of "The Hunger Games" trilogy has observed: "...collective thinking is usually short-lived. We're fickle, stupid beings with poor memories and a great gift for self-destruction."

      In his 1882 play, "An Enemy of the People," Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen wrote, "Public opinion is an extremely mutable thing."

      Indeed it is and the fickle public, relying on the opinion of others, instead of eternal truths, to shape beliefs, is treading on very thin ice that has already begun to crack.

      Following public opinion can and usually does, lead to moral, social and political anarchy. I give you the Roman Empire and the ancient city of Corinth, in the event that anything about history and how it can repeat itself, absent immutable principles, is being adequately taught in schools today.


      So much pablum....

       

      a) "God", or any other diety doesnt get to pick who can be married, people do.

      b) Still upset about the 60's? Lol, nothing happens in a vacuum. the 60's were a generational reaction to an establishment bent on war, drafts, and racism. Grow up, it had to happen.

      c) The constitution is indeed a living document. Ever heard of amendments? 

       

       

      too much more pablum to address..... you're slipping RR.


       I've heard of ammendments.

       Why are you afraid of the process?


    • testuser
      testuser commented
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      Just Me wrote:

      testuser wrote:

      Link: http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2013/03/28/beware-public-opinion-n1550967

      Content:

      "If there is anything that links the human to the divine, it is the courage to stand by a principle when everybody else rejects it." -- Abraham Lincoln

      History is full of warnings about what happens when people follow public opinion instead of standing by their principles. In its most extreme manifestation, public opinion might well become mob rule when vigilantes take the law into their own hands.

      Major media have whipped the crowd into its latest frenzy over same-sex marriage, or should I say "marriage equality," the latest euphemism, likely intended to make the masses more accepting of what was once unacceptable. And the masses, which increasingly answer "none" when asked about any religious affiliation or moral code, appear ready for it. The U.S. Supreme Court, not the Supreme Judge, now rules supreme.

      But there are consequences for living as one pleases. Look at the fallout that our culture continues to experience from the '60s generation and its throwing off of the ideals and structures of mainstream society. The "Age of Aquarius," and its countercultural revolution, has given way to an increase in drug use, no-fault divorce, cohabitation, out-of-wedlock births and abortion. Everything's fair game. Nothing's off limits. Anything goes.

      Now, we are about to witness the latest cultural domino to fall. Imagine states without boundaries and speed without limits. What same-sex marriage proponents seem to be asking the Court to do is to remove ancient boundary lines for human relationships based on what they wish to do. That opens the door to anything and everything else, depending on how well organized they are and what political clout they can muster.

      Personal experience, like that of Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), who announced recently that his son is gay, is now supposed to trump Scripture and the will of California voters? While most politicians take their oaths of office on the Bible, many of them prove by their actions that they don't believe, or follow, what's in it. Better they should place their hands on Rolling Stone or People magazines, which more accurately reflect the direction and attitude of contemporary culture. Perhaps Kim Kardashian should decide where the country stands on same-sex marriage?

      It's when individuals, not God, become the standard by which truth and right and wrong are judged that we get a Supreme Court deciding our ultimate direction.

      Some liberals believe the Constitution is a "living" document that must constantly evolve to fit the times. It is not. Some liberal theologians believe the same about the Scriptures. They believe these, too, must evolve, because serving God is no longer the standard; serving Man is.

      Suzanne Collins, author of "The Hunger Games" trilogy has observed: "...collective thinking is usually short-lived. We're fickle, stupid beings with poor memories and a great gift for self-destruction."

      In his 1882 play, "An Enemy of the People," Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen wrote, "Public opinion is an extremely mutable thing."

      Indeed it is and the fickle public, relying on the opinion of others, instead of eternal truths, to shape beliefs, is treading on very thin ice that has already begun to crack.

      Following public opinion can and usually does, lead to moral, social and political anarchy. I give you the Roman Empire and the ancient city of Corinth, in the event that anything about history and how it can repeat itself, absent immutable principles, is being adequately taught in schools today.


      So much pablum....

       

      a) "God", or any other diety doesnt get to pick who can be married, people do.

      b) Still upset about the 60's? Lol, nothing happens in a vacuum. the 60's were a generational reaction to an establishment bent on war, drafts, and racism. Grow up, it had to happen.

      c) The constitution is indeed a living document. Ever heard of amendments? 

       

       

      too much more pablum to address..... you're slipping RR.


      Yes. your "a" is exactly the mistake the author said so many are making.

      Regarding "b", you accurately point out one of the causes (one of them) but the shift was a huge mistake. Not as much as the Russian revolution or the rise of Nazism, but the evidence is all around us for those with any historical perspective.

      Regarding "c", yes, it is living in that way. The author, however, is discussing the attitude of many that it should all be thrown out becuase it is so antiquated and not keeping up with the times. But it is they who have forgotten that old truism, "Times change. People don't."

      It is because we live in a time where true wisdom is ignored as "old fashoined." Now, young people, to one degree or another, have always felt that way, but just as "the 60's" empowered teenagers and they became a serious force in public opinion and culture for the first time in history, that has blossomed into the current situation in which a large part of the population, ignorant though they may be, is empowered to actually drown out the voices of the those with more licid opinions based on both education and experience.

      Yes, that has always been the case to some small degree (I always thought the Who's "Young Man Blues" was an incredibly narcissistic and just plain stupid song), but it has teeth now, thanks to the impact of the liberal influenced media and public schools coupled with the lack of world experience in young people to correctly interpret information - to effectively keep the wheat and discard the chaff.

      It will get us all in the end. But then, that is what the bible said would happen. And it does have a happy ending, though it will get worse before it gets better.

       


  • #4

    testuser wrote: And the masses, which increasingly answer "none" when asked about any religious affiliation or moral code, appear ready for it. The U.S. Supreme Court, not the Supreme Judge, now rules supreme.

    About time! Thank God for that :smileylol:

    Keep the company of those who seek the truth, and run from those who have found it.

    -- Vaclav Havel

    The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

    -- Carl Sagan


    Life - the way it really is - is a battle not between Bad and Good but between Bad and Worse.

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    • testuser
      testuser commented
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      Red Ant wrote:

      testuser wrote: And the masses, which increasingly answer "none" when asked about any religious affiliation or moral code, appear ready for it. The U.S. Supreme Court, not the Supreme Judge, now rules supreme.

      About time! Thank God for that :smileylol:


      I see what you did there.


    • pink freud
      pink freud commented
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      Funny thing: In the eyes of an atheist who views religion as the practices established from the psychological defense mechanism known as "God" all religion IS a public opinion.


  • #5

    Beware public opinion unless it's bigoted and reactionary, in which case, codify it immediately. 

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    • #6
      This Rob Roy is a little heavy on the bitters
      "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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      • #7
        Belief is wonderful comedy sometimes (Tragedy other times). I am so sorry that the sigs are gone from my old account. Because in those sigs, I had quotes from RobRoy.

        RobRoy said that he believed that Obama would not finish his first term. RobRoy said that it could be suicide, resignation, impeachment, or worse.

        The point to make here is that RobRoy specifically said that he "believed" that this would happen.

        RobRoys belief is worth less than a pile of spit.

        Zip
        665 - Neighbor of the Beast

        Originally Posted by RobRoy: I believe that the only way Obama will remain in power is if he suspends elections. And at that point he is no longer president. He is dictator. But I don't believe he will even survive that long. It could be suicide, impeachment by BOTH parties, you name it.

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        • Fred Fartboski
          Fred Fartboski commented
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          Zipperhead wrote:
          Belief is wonderful comedy sometimes (Tragedy other times). I am so sorry that the sigs are gone from my old account. Because in those sigs, I had quotes from RobRoy.

          RobRoy said that he believed that Obama would not finish his first term. RobRoy said that it could be suicide, resignation, impeachment, or worse.

          The point to make here is that RobRoy specifically said that he "believed" that this would happen.

          RobRoys belief is worth less than a pile of spit.

          Zip

          lol

          He also believed American society would become embroiled in race wars in the spring of 2010.

           


      • #8
        Sounds a whole lot like a christian/american version of sharia law, if you have to prioritize divine "word" over popular opinion (also sometimes known as democracy).

        It's posts like those that make me think the more religious american righties actually subconsiously *like* the idea of sharia law, just not the fact that it's their "enemies" who are practicing it.
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        • testuser
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          tape wrote:
          Sounds a whole lot like a christian/american version of sharia law, if you have to prioritize divine "word" over popular opinion (also sometimes known as democracy).

          It's posts like those that make me think the more religious american righties actually subconsiously *like* the idea of sharia law, just not the fact that it's their "enemies" who are practicing it.

          Actually, you focus on surface similarities and ignore foundational differences. Christianity exercises authority only on its members. As does any belief system, even atheism. Islam attampts to force its authority on all people, whether they are muslim or not. And their laws are also stricter. Islam is a "letter of the law" sort of religion, while Christianity is a "spirit of the law" religion. It's why Islam says "don't drink, period." but Christianity says don't be a drunkard. It puts the responsibility for your behavior on you, with the freedom of knowledge of your salvation.

           













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