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    Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

    Economy bumping along the bottom

    high unemployment

    high food and fuel prices

    terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

    health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

    massive debt

    massive deficits

    higher taxes for EVERYONE


  • #2

    You build the cutest strawmen with your sweeping generalizations.

    Originally Posted by Papa Grizzly


    Auntie Em just piddled her knickers.









    Originally Posted by 55gibby


    It's OK that you're a dumbass... but it's not OK that you're boring. If you're going to be stupid, a least be funny









    Originally Posted by Hoddy


    First off, I'm not Hoddy, and secondly as far as groveling is concerned, probably about as much as Johnny66 or Daddysguitar did when they were banned.

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    • Brave Ulysses
      Brave Ulysses commented
      Editing a comment

      newbie chick wrote:

      You build the cutest strawmen with your sweeping generalizations.


      in my experience, each statement is valid.  please indicate which of the OP's assertions you allege are inaccurate.


  • #3

    McLovin wrote:

    Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

    Economy bumping along the bottom

    high unemployment

    high food and fuel prices

    terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

    health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

    massive debt

    massive deficits

    higher taxes for EVERYONE


    When Mr. Obama ran for president, I don't think anybody expected the economic mess George W. Bush was leaving him. At the time, the economy was going along well, buoyed up by a massive real estate/financial bubble that popped in October of 2008 and collapsed completely in early 2009. 

    Nobody expected that. 

    They didn't expect an entrenched, contrarian Republican leadership in Congress spending most of their time and efforts countering and obstructing Mr. Obama's proposals, or the all-emotions-no-facts objections of the TEA Party, either. 

    I think Mr. Obama did what he could with what he had. I also wonder what would have happened if all this happened to Mr. Bush while he was in office and the "liberals" were giving him the same treatment the "conservatives" are giving Mr. Obama.

    Any speculations on that one?

    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________
    How Come Other People Can Get Away With Jokes Like That?

    Face it Tea Bagging Neo-Cons...if Reagan ran today, you'd be calling him a RINO socialist! -- scott666

    Barack Obama must be kenyan - everytime he speaks they trot a translator out the next day to explain what he said.-- ToBeAnnounced

    And even then some people still don't understand.-- RogueGnome

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    • normh
      normh commented
      Editing a comment

      The Badger wrote:

      When Mr. Obama ran for president, I don't think anybody expected the economic mess George W. Bush was leaving him. At the time, the economy was going along well, buoyed up by a massive real estate/financial bubble that popped in October of 2008 and collapsed completely in early 2009. 

      Nobody expected that. 



      That is plain incorrect.  There were many, including Bear and Sterns, that predicted the pop of the housing bubble.


  • #4

    McLovin wrote:

    Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

    Economy bumping along the bottom

    high unemployment

    high food and fuel prices

    terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

    health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

    massive debt

    massive deficits

    higher taxes for EVERYONE


    My 401k is zipping along once again now that Bush is gone.

    My job is going great. I got a 3.3% raise again this past year.

    I've got fresh fruit on the dining room table and just topped off my gas tank.

    My bills are paid, I've got money in the bank, and I donate to several charities.

    You know, I'm very comfortable with my tax burden and I pay willingly, unlike a lot of people here.

    Thanks Obama.

    And as for you, I have little patience with people who blame all their problems on their government.

    Sorry, got to go.

    I've got work to do and money to earn now.

    To you I'm an atheist; but to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.

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    • LithiumZero
      LithiumZero commented
      Editing a comment

      RogueGnome wrote:

      McLovin wrote:

      Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

      Economy bumping along the bottom

      high unemployment

      high food and fuel prices

      terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

      health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

      massive debt

      massive deficits

      higher taxes for EVERYONE


      My 401k is zipping along once again now that Bush is gone.

      My job is going great. I got a 3.3% raise again this past year.

      I've got fresh fruit on the dining room table and just topped off my gas tank.

      My bills are paid, I've got money in the bank, and I donate to several charities.

      You know, I'm very comfortable with my tax burden and I pay willingly, unlike a lot of people here.

      Thanks Obama.


      ^ This... well minus the fresh fruit


    • McLovin
      McLovin commented
      Editing a comment

      RogueGnome wrote:

      McLovin wrote:

      Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

      Economy bumping along the bottom

      high unemployment

      high food and fuel prices

      terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

      health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

      massive debt

      massive deficits

      higher taxes for EVERYONE


      My 401k is zipping along once again now that Bush is gone.

      My job is going great. I got a 3.3% raise again this past year.

      I've got fresh fruit on the dining room table and just topped off my gas tank.

      My bills are paid, I've got money in the bank, and I donate to several charities.

      You know, I'm very comfortable with my tax burden and I pay willingly, unlike a lot of people here.

      Thanks Obama.

      And as for you, I have little patience with people who blame all their problems on their government.

      Sorry, got to go.

      I've got work to do and money to earn now.


      You got yours, screw everyone else.


    • Jack Walker
      Jack Walker commented
      Editing a comment

      RogueGnome wrote:

      McLovin wrote:

      Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

      Economy bumping along the bottom

      high unemployment

      high food and fuel prices

      terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

      health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

      massive debt

      massive deficits

      higher taxes for EVERYONE


      My 401k is zipping along once again now that Bush is gone.

      My job is going great. I got a 3.3% raise again this past year.

      I've got fresh fruit on the dining room table and just topped off my gas tank.

      My bills are paid, I've got money in the bank, and I donate to several charities.

      You know, I'm very comfortable with my tax burden and I pay willingly, unlike a lot of people here.

      Thanks Obama.

      And as for you, I have little patience with people who blame all their problems on their government.

      Sorry, got to go.

      I've got work to do and money to earn now.


      And that was under a president that pissed off all of big and small business. Imagine how much better you would be doing under Mitt Romney.


  • #5

    McLovin wrote:

    Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

    Economy bumping along the bottom

    high unemployment

    high food and fuel prices

    terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

    health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

    massive debt

    massive deficits

    higher taxes for EVERYONE


    When Mr. Obama ran for president, I don't think anybody expected the economic mess George W. Bush was leaving him. At the time, the economy was going along well, buoyed up by a massive real estate/financial bubble that popped in October of 2008 and collapsed completely in early 2009. 

    Nobody expected that. 

    They didn't expect an entrenched, contrarian Republican leadership in Congress spending most of their time and efforts countering and obstructing Mr. Obama's proposals, or the all-emotions-no-facts objections of the TEA Party, either. 

    I think Mr. Obama did what he could with what he had. I also wonder what would have happened if all this happened to Mr. Bush while he was in office and the "liberals" were giving him the same treatment the "conservatives" are giving Mr. Obama.d

    Any speculations on that one?

    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________
    How Come Other People Can Get Away With Jokes Like That?

    Face it Tea Bagging Neo-Cons...if Reagan ran today, you'd be calling him a RINO socialist! -- scott666

    Barack Obama must be kenyan - everytime he speaks they trot a translator out the next day to explain what he said.-- ToBeAnnounced

    And even then some people still don't understand.-- RogueGnome

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    • #6

      McLovin wrote:

      Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

      Economy bumping along the bottom

      high unemployment

      high food and fuel prices

      terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

      health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

      massive debt

      massive deficits

      higher taxes for EVERYONE


      Interesting observations.  For everyone's edification, please list each of those points with the accompanying solutions offered by Romney, so that we can make an informed analysis of the huge mistake the country made when it reelected Obama.

      If you cannot be tasked to this, we must assume that what you call 'Obama supporters' might more accurately be referred to as 'Romney opposition'.

      Thanks in advance.

       

      I can't provide a link because liberals removed it from the internet.

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      • #7

        McLovin wrote:

        Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

        Economy bumping along the bottom

        high unemployment

        high food and fuel prices

        terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

        health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

        massive debt

        massive deficits

        higher taxes for EVERYONE


        Expected/Inevitable

        Not happening

        Getting better due to Obama

        Don't care

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        • RogueGnome
          RogueGnome commented
          Editing a comment

          I'm sure glad we didnt have any terrorist attacks while W was president.

          Thanks W!

           

           

           


      • #8

        McLovin wrote:

        Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

        Economy bumping along the bottom

        high unemployment

        high food and fuel prices

        terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

        health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

        massive debt

        massive deficits

        higher taxes for EVERYONE


        Economy is doing fine by me. Get some bootstraps and stop whining!

        I am employed, and after having to shrink staff at the end of the prior administration of He Whom the GOP Shall Not Name, have added to staff since our current president took office.

        Stop complaining about the prices of the "free market".

        Terrorist attacks? Compared to 9/11?

        Please suggest an alternative to the ACA that would actually pass Congress. You could have had a single payer option or price controls. How did the GOP react to that stuff?

        Massive debt and deficits? They only appear to trouble the GOP when the other team is in office. Your hypocricy is showing. "Reagan proved deficits don't matter".

         

        Got anything else?

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        • #9
          Jack Walker wrote:

          Bush's war that all of congress signed off on?


          This is a lie.

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          • McLovin
            McLovin commented
            Editing a comment

            Is anyone honest enough to admit that this is not what they envisioned when they pulled the lever for hope and change?

            That the Obama we have is not the Obama that people thought they were voting for?


          • Tom Hicks
            Tom Hicks commented
            Editing a comment

            i have several times posted the numbers from the congressional votes on the iraq war resolution clearly documenting that the dem vote was majority against it, while the GOP vote was almost unanimous in favor.

             

            these facts don't seem to have a lot of impact on this right wing meme.

             


            BA.Barcolounger wrote:
            Jack Walker wrote:

            Bush's war that all of congress signed off on?


            This is a lie.




        • #10

          McLovin wrote:

          Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

          Economy bumping along the bottom

          high unemployment

          high food and fuel prices

          terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

          health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

          massive debt

          massive deficits

          higher taxes for EVERYONE


           

          If you're trying to convince me against voting for him in 2016, mission accomplished.

          Other than that all I can say is that I have been disappointed by some of the things this administration has/has not done, but remain absolutely certain that the alternatives offered to the American people by the opposition would have been far worse.

          x

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          • #11
            I didn't vote for Obama... I voted against. Mccain and Romney
            I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll be glad to take a look

            Float like a butterfly, sting like VD

            What happens up north, stays up north

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            • Microtilt
              Microtilt commented
              Editing a comment

              55gibby wrote:
              I didn't vote for Obama... I voted against. Mccain and Romney

              Same here.

               


          • #12

            McLovin wrote:

            Did you think after four years this is what Obama's "fundamental transformation" would look like?

            Economy bumping along the bottom

            high unemployment

            high food and fuel prices

            terrorist attacks agaisnt us at home and abroad

            health care bill that one of it's authors describes as a "trainwreck"

            massive debt

            massive deficits

            higher taxes for EVERYONE


            I'm not an Obama supporter, and he doesn't need my support as he's already President twice over, but I'll try to answer your question with the clarity that an outsider can bring to a heated discussion.

             

            Did I expect the economy to be bumping along the bottom?  Unlike much of the world, the US economy seems to be recovering reasonably well (if slowly) from global recession and the financial wastefulness of the previous president (whose name I forget).

            High unemployment?  Frankly, I didn't expect the unemployment rate to be as low as it is.

             

            Hight food and fuel prices?  Well I don't know about food prices in the US, but as I pointed out in another thread, with fuel at around a third of the price n the US that it is here in the UK, you've got a good deal (and we've got a crap one).

            Terrorist attacks?  Well, they've never ever happened under any other presidency, have they.

             

            Health care bill?  The bill as envisaged by the Presidentwould have been much better than the crippled version forced upon the American people by certain elements in US politics.

             

            Massive debt?  To be honest, only the most incredibly naive and partisan person would ever have imagined that the debts run up under the previous president (what's his name again?) would be cleared.  Even servicing the loan is an impossible task.

            Massive deficits?  That's the same question as the one above, and therfore receives the same answer.


            Higher taxes for everyone?  That's not really happening, so I can't comment on it.

             

            Now, having done my best to answer your questions Brian, I'd like to ask just one question of you, if that's alright.  Did you write the OP yourself, or deglect/forget to include the original source?id you C+P it, and n

             

            ###### Why can't I post anything here anymore??? ######

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            • Another Brick
              Another Brick commented
              Editing a comment
              I consider the economy a lot better off now than what it was on January 20, 2009. Hiring is better than firing. Foreclosures suck.

              Sure a dozen or so Americans have died at the hands of terrorists under Obama, but having thousands perish like what happened under the previous administration was much worse.

              Am I making any sense?

          • #13
            Lulz
            "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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            • #14
              Derp
              "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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              • #15
                McTrollin is on fail streak
                "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."“Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.”― George Carlin"The founding fathers were well aware of rapid firing capabilities by the indians." - NormH

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