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  • Why weapon magazine size needs to be limited.

    Any questions?
    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orego..._remember.html

    Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

    "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

    "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

    Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

    When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.

    http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-...anza-s-newtown

    At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.
    Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.
    It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.
    [EDIT] More people saved when a shooter had to reload... but our resident irrational gun nuts will NEVER EVER concede that magazine capacity is an issue and that we could save lives with a reasonable limit on mag capacity.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kin...chool_shooting

    When Kinkel's rifle ran out of ammunition and he began to reload, wounded student Jacob Ryker tackled him, assisted by several other students.
    http://lubbockonline.com/stories/012...53525497.shtml

    AUSTIN (AP) - A man who fired several shots outside the Texas Capitol was trying to reload his weapon when police confronted him and tackled him to the ground.
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...chool-shooting

    Witnesses said the gunman was tackled by math teacher David Benke as he apparently attempted to reload his high-powered rifle.

    A parent who saw the incident told 7NEWS that the gunman kept mumbling to himself, "I'm fighting for freedom. I'm fighting for freedom," as he was being taken down.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1818948

    The alleged shooter, 26-year-old Aaron R. Ybarra, was allegedly jumped by student building monitor Jon Meis after he shot three students and tried to reload the long gun...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_F...ss_murderer%29

    Ferguson had emptied two 15-round magazines during the shooting. While reloading his third magazine, somebody yelled, "Grab him!"Passengers Michael O'Connor, Kevin Blum and Mark McEntee tackled Ferguson and pinned him to one of the train's seats.
    http://bismarcktribune.com/news/stat...4db54d96f.html

    Lampert saw the 9mm pistol, and observed the man drop an ammunition clip as he attempted to reload. "He said, 'I'm going to … kill you,'" Lampert said Saturday. "We made eye contact, and I took off after him. I just kind of dumped him."
    Lampert was the first tackler among a group of men who subdued Steven Zegrean, 51, of Las Vegas, accused of wounding four people in a random fusillade of bullets early Friday morning at the New York-New York casino.
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/10/authorities-identify-alleged-gunman-in-carlsbad-elementary-school-shooting.html

    Construction worker Carlos Partida, who was remodeling the school kitchen in the beachside community 30 miles north of San Diego, said he saw a man jump over the school fence and start firing a gun at children. He said the gunman appeared to be reloading and trying to leave the scene when Partida jumped in his truck and rammed the man, knocking him down.

    "My reaction was to get him. Get him away from the kids," he said. Partida, 30, of Chula Vista, said he and two other construction workers held the gunman down and kept the weapon away until police arrived.

    Partida said the gunman, who was wearing a black, hooded sweatshirt and black pants, had been screaming incoherently. Authorities later discredited initial reports that the gunman was ranting about President Obama.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5463260&page=1

    The angry gunman invaded the Knoxville church on Sunday and began blasting away as more than 200 parishioners were packed inside to watch a children's performance of the musical "Annie."

    Adkisson was tackled by church members when he paused to reload
    while terrified church members ducked beneath pews or ran screaming from the church.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_..._mall_shooting

    On February 13, 2005, Robert Bonelli Jr. of Glasco, New York, entered the mall with a Hesse-47 assault rifle and began firing it inside the Best Buy located at the mall. Bonelli, aged 24, caused a panic as employees and shoppers began to flee the mall. Bonelli moved into the mall corridor and continued firing his weapon until he ran out of ammunition, to which he promptly dropped his gun. At that point, a mall employee grabbed his gun, while another tackled Bonelli.
    Not a reload, but another opportunity to tackle a gunman due to a jam.
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/08/church.shooting/

    Fred Winters, the pastor of the First Baptist Church, was shot and killed during the 8 a.m. service, and the attacker and two church members suffered knife wounds in the attack, authorities said.
    ...
    The gunman's .45-caliber pistol jammed after he shot Winters, Trent said. The man then pulled out a knife before being tackled by some of about 150 worshippers attending the service in southern Illinois, near St. Louis, Missouri.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1986184

    Identified by students as first-year social studies instructor Megan Silberberger, the teacher ran into the cafeteria and managed to restrain Jaylen’s arms, possibly while he was reloading, KIRO reported. The gun went off again, killing the twisted teen.

    ...

    “I heard a loud bang. I didn’t know what it was,” said Jordan, who sat beside his girlfriend during the shooting. “I heard four or five more and I heard people screaming. I just dropped to the floor. . . . I could feel the bullets almost shaking my body from the noise.”

    When Jaylen paused to reload, Jordan bolted.




    Maybe if I find one or two more examples of reloads saving lives, the gun nuts will listen to reason.

    Oh, who am I kidding?!
    Last edited by willhaven; 10-25-2014, 12:06 PM.

    TWO TERMS BITCHES! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


  • #2
    Why do you hate guntards?

    Comment


    • coyote-1
      coyote-1 commented
      Editing a comment

      I enjoy firearms. I enjoy shooting them, and I enjoy hi-cap shooting. Before getting rid of my guns when NY passed its new law, I used to take a .22 and four 30-round mags to the range. Lotsa fun (and much less costly to use CCI Stingers  - or MiniMags, five bux a hundred shots!, than using .223 or 7.62). I also dig full auto when I go to places where it's legal, though its a very expensive hobby.

      Anyway, I understand the appeal. But there is no question whatsoever that a guy with a 30 round mag is gonna do more damage more quickly than a guy with a handful of 7-rounders. It is the very reason these things were developed! Every advance in gunnery across the centuries has been about leverage. Breechloaders are faster to deploy than muzzleloaders, rifling extended the range of accurate fire, brass increased ease of loading, autoloading made loading unnecessary. With a flintlock musket you were lucky if you managed a shot every 30 seconds. Your AR15 allows anyone who practices a bit to shoot three times a second. With a 30 round mag that's a 900x increase in leverage, and far more than that if we include the increases in range and accuracy.

       


  • #3

    willhaven wrote:

    Any questions?


    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/01/steve_duin_mark_kelly_remember.html

    Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

    "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

    "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

    Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

    When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.



     http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-13/news/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-lanza-s-newtown

    At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.


    Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.

    It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.


    Somebody with 15, 10 or 5 round magazines could have shot just as many people and only added a very few seconds to the time involved.

    The problem is still very much the impulse to do this sort of thing and NOT the equipment available to the perpetrators.

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    • willhaven
      willhaven commented
      Editing a comment

      dblazer wrote:

      willhaven wrote:

      Any questions?


      http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/01/steve_duin_mark_kelly_remember.html

      Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

      "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

      "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

      Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

      When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.



       http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-13/news/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-lanza-s-newtown

      At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.


      Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.

      It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.


      Somebody with 15, 10 or 5 round magazines could have shot just as many people and only added a very few seconds to the time involved.

      The problem is still very much the impulse to do this sort of thing and NOT the equipment available to the perpetrators.


      Tell that to Christina Taylor Green.


    • savoldi
      savoldi commented
      Editing a comment

      dblazer wrote:

      willhaven wrote:

      Any questions?


      http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/01/steve_duin_mark_kelly_remember.html

      Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

      "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

      "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

      Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

      When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.



       http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-13/news/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-lanza-s-newtown

      At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.


      Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.

      It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.


      Somebody with 15, 10 or 5 round magazines could have shot just as many people and only added a very few seconds to the time involved.

      The problem is still very much the impulse to do this sort of thing and NOT the equipment available to the perpetrators.


      I think he fired close to 150 bullets. With a 10 round magazine, he'd have had to reload 14 times or so. That's enough downtime so more children could have gotten away, and with that much reloading he easily could have jammed several times at least. It would have been a lot more than a very few seconds.


    • BA.Barcolounger
      BA.Barcolounger commented
      Editing a comment

      dblazer wrote:

      willhaven wrote:

      Any questions?


      http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/01/steve_duin_mark_kelly_remember.html

      Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

      "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

      "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

      Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

      When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.



       http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-13/news/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-lanza-s-newtown

      At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.


      Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.

      It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.


      Somebody with 15, 10 or 5 round magazines could have shot just as many people and only added a very few seconds to the time involved.

      The problem is still very much the impulse to do this sort of thing and NOT the equipment available to the perpetrators.


      Adam Lanza would have had to reload his Bushmaster 14 times in order to fire the same amount of rounds he fired, if clips were limited to 10. He would also have to carry 14 extra clips with him. It would have been unwieldy, and the reloading process would have allowed more time for people to either respond or escape.

      Instead he was able to fire 151 rounds while only reloading 4 times.


  • #4

    They do but the country and the forum lacks reasonable people.

    Some people need to do simple math,Lanza in five minutes fired 152 bullets,

    Are the ignorant ones telling me that someone with a 10 round clip could do the same thing and do it as accurate?

     

     

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    • AxiomVanguard
      AxiomVanguard commented
      Editing a comment

      "Shall not be infringed".....


    • dblazer
      dblazer commented
      Editing a comment

      buckethead99 wrote:

      They do but the country and the forum lacks reasonable people.

      Some people need to do simple math,Lanza in five minutes fired 152 bullets,

      Are the ignorant ones telling me that someone with a 10 round clip could do the same thing and do it as accurate?

       

       


      Yes. Most people, with even a little practice, can change magazines in less than a second, or around that. Reloading doesn't effect accuracy, only speed.


  • #5

    willhaven wrote:

    Any questions?


    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/01/steve_duin_mark_kelly_remember.html

    Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

    "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

    "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

    Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

    When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.



     http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-13/news/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-lanza-s-newtown

    At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.


    Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.

    It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.


    The first 7 seconds of this video reveal why you are a ****************ing idiot.

    You are an idiot, if you think this going to change anything.

    This is a feelgood do-nothing bandaid-and its going to hurt 

    Dems in the mid term elections.  Bring it,

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    • Into Nation
      Into Nation commented
      Editing a comment

      Davo17 wrote:

      willhaven wrote:

      Any questions?


      http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/01/steve_duin_mark_kelly_remember.html

      Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

      "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

      "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

      Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

      When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.



       http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-13/news/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-lanza-s-newtown

      At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.


      Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.

      It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.


      The first 7 seconds of this video reveal why you are a ****************ing idiot.

      You are an idiot, if you think this going to change anything.

      This is a feelgood do-nothing bandaid-and its going to hurt 

      Dems in the mid term elections.  Bring it,


      Your assumption that any joe can perform at the level of a trained Army Marksman reveals why you are a ****************ing idiot.


  • #6
    Still waiting for the reason as to why magazine sizes need to be reduced.

    Comment


    • Davo17
      Davo17 commented
      Editing a comment

      mauser wrote:
      Still waiting for the reason as to why magazine sizes need to be reduced.

      Its a common error to infer that the intentions of a law/act are what matters.  Rather one should look at the effects.  We know weapons bans, and mag bans dont reduce crime.  We also know there are 50 years worth of hi cap mags out there.   Enough to last hundreds of years.  And we know criminals dont follow laws anyway.

      It makes liberals feel good to restrict others.  Thats what this is all about.


    • thankyou
      thankyou commented
      Editing a comment

      mauser wrote:
      Still waiting for the reason as to why magazine sizes need to be reduced.

      You've been provided reasons.  Just not reasons you can accept.


  • #7

    I've said it many times before. While as a designated marksman using a modified M-14 rifle, I was able to switch out the magazine in just over a second. That rifle has no mag well, making swapping mags under pressure more difficult, since a release lever needs to be pushed in and then re-engaged to switch a mag effectively. The lack of a magazine well makes that all the more difficult. I would often use 10 round magazines since they gave the bottom of my rifle more clearance, and I was still the most lethal man in my squad. I was able to lay down a heavy volume of fire if the occasion required using those magazines. They were also nice because I could fit them in the smaller pockets on my jacket. I just carried more of them. 

     

    Most of these psychos practice, and have a plan they follow during these shooting sprees. They practice marksmanship, reloads, have backups weapons, and don't often get taken alive.

     

    Limiting mag size is a ridiculous "remedy" to this problem. 

     

    If I were hell-bent of killing people, all I would need is a bolt-action rifle, and I would shut down an entire city. 

     

    Boo

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    • #8

      willhaven wrote:

      Any questions?


      http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/01/steve_duin_mark_kelly_remember.html

      Two hours after Giffords left the room, Kelly spoke about the 33-round magazine Jared Lee Loughner emptied into his wife and 19 other people at a Tucson shopping center two years ago.

      "He unloaded the contents of that magazine in 15 seconds," the Navy aviator and retired astronaut said.

      "The first bullet went into Gabby's head. Bullet No. 13 went into a 9-year-old girl."

      Christina Taylor Green. Born on Sept. 11. The youngest of the six dead.

      When Loughner tried to reload his Glock 9mm with another 33-round magazine, he dropped it and was promptly tackled by the few bystanders left standing.



       http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-13/news/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-lanza-s-newtown

      At some point he stopped shooting, either because the Bushmaster jammed or he made an error reloading it, giving six children the opportunity to escape.


      Two mass shootings in as many years where lives were saved when the shooter finally had to stop shooting.

      It's been said that the Aurora AR-15 jammed due to the drum magazine... but not before he shot nearly 30 rounds from it (many idiots like to make claims that high capacity mags actually hinder a shooter). He then switched to a Glock which had high capacity magazines. He shot or wounded 70 people.


      There is no valid reason for having an Amp over 15 Watts.

      gp

      "The nature of bad news infects the teller."

      The above is not to be taken too seriously.

      Comment


      • coyote-1
        coyote-1 commented
        Editing a comment
        True... Then again, no one has ever been able to kill more people mere by purchasing a 100 watt amp, so your attempted comparison only makes sense within the conservatard echo chamber.

        To rational people, it is a moronic comparison.

    • #9
      LOL @ irrational gun nuts imploding while defending high capacity magazines in the face of two concrete, recent, real world examples that make all of their arguments look foolish.

      Dblazer had to google CTGs name even though I posted it in the OP. He didn't even read or comprehend what I posted before arguing about it. Because what I say doesn't matter to him. The logic doesn't matter in his hypothetical world. In the real world, however, there are people who would be alive today if mass shooters were limited to smaller magazines.

      And on Davo, wow. Why didn't Jared Lee Loughner use tactical reloads? Oh wait, this is the real world and not a dumb video of some lame cunt reloading on YouTube. The same real world where a CCW permit holder was nearby and was able to save zero lives.

      What stopped Loughner, a CCW permit holder or being forced to reload?

      Irrational gun nuts are incapable of answering that question honestly.

      TWO TERMS BITCHES! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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      • coyote-1
        coyote-1 commented
        Editing a comment
        Caulk, you may think it lame or not. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
        But you cannot rationally claim it infringes the 2nd Amendment, since you remain free to carry the same number of bullets - just in smaller dispensers. And that's all that matters.

        Btw, the limit on mag capacity would be nowhere near as costly as putting armed cops in every school. So you may want to revisit your opinion making process.

      • Belva
        Belva commented
        Editing a comment

        I myself have no use for a high cap mag. I really don't have a use for a semi auto rifle, although I'm considering a Ruger ranch rifle as a varmint getter. But I'm a slippery slope guy. The reason I don't wish to see any new gun laws is two-fold.

        1) New laws won't be enforced and are a waste of MY money.
        2) I don't want to see the anti gun brigade slowly chip away at the 2nd Amendment


    • #10

      I will never be convinced there any ****************ing practical reason to own a gun like a .223 Bushmaster.  I understand the practical uses for handguns and hunting rifles.  I know you can still kill people with either weapon, and I know the .223 Bushmaster doesn

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      • Caulk Rocket
        Caulk Rocket commented
        Editing a comment

        buckethead99 wrote:

        I will never be convinced there any ****************ing practical reason to own a gun like a .223 Bushmaster.  I understand the practical uses for handguns and hunting rifles.  I know you can still kill people with either weapon, and I know the .223 Bushmaster doesn


    • #11

      Based on OP's logic (or lack of)...

       

      Automobile speeds should be limited to 30mph.

       

      No one "needs" to go faster after all.

       

       

      Comment


      • #12

        I think I figured out why the anti gun crowd wants smaller magazines; a smaller magazine is not as tall.  With a shorter magazine, the anti gin crowds dicks are bigger than the magazine.

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        • #13

          There should be ZERO detachable magazines. There should be ZERO semi-automatic guns.

          That is the best form of gun control.

          "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=4715

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          • dblazer
            dblazer commented
            Editing a comment

            Minning Around wrote:

            There should be ZERO detachable magazines. There should be ZERO semi-automatic guns.

            That is the best form of gun control.


            GREAT, and no internal combustion engines would mean less air polution, and no airplanes would mean no flight related deaths, and no lakes or swimming pools would mean no accidental drownings.

            Can we outlaw gravity? That way nobody would ever fall down and ****************.

            Good luck with "un-inventing" things you're afraid of, dumbass.


        • #14
          Ghost: The right to own firearms is a right which exists for everyone, whether you choose to exercise it or not.

          Whether the gun owning population is the majority or minority is irrelevant

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          • dblazer
            dblazer commented
            Editing a comment

            mauser wrote:
            Ghost: The right to own firearms is a right which exists for everyone, whether you choose to exercise it or not.

            Whether the gun owning population is the majority or minority is irrelevant

            Like other tyrannies, the tyranny of the majority was at first, and is still vulgarly, held in dread, chiefly as operating through the acts of the public authorities. But reflecting persons perceived that when society is itself the tyrant -- society collectively over the separate individuals who compose it -- its means of tyrannising are not restricted to the acts which it may do by the hands of its political functionaries. Society can and does execute its own mandates; and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with which it ought not to meddle, it practices a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself. Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough; there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling, against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development and, if possible, prevent the formation of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own. There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence; and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs as protection against political despotism. ~ John Stuart Mill, 1859


        • #15
          It won't do anything at all... except for lowering the number of high cap mags on the street (demonstrated with a specific example B), which could lead to fewer people being killed (demonstrated with specific examples A).

          Clearly it's not the only actionable item, but it's one that would help, all without infringing on gun ownership in any meaningful way.

          Anyone with intellectual honesty looking at the facts objectively would have to agree with my points (A) and (B) above.

          TWO TERMS BITCHES! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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          • willhaven
            willhaven commented
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            Oh, look, another instance of my point (A):

            "(A) There are proven instances where forcing a shooter to reload has saved lives."

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel#Thurston_High_School_shooting

            When Kinkel's rifle ran out of ammunition and he began to reload, wounded student Jacob Ryker tackled him, assisted by several other students.

            So what idiots will continue to argue that limiting magazine size will do nothing to help save lives in spree shootings?



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