Members Poker99 Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 How much money are bands making when they have one song playing on a radio major for a year, either in average or high spin ratio? Example : How much Nickleback is making for a single in a year per radio? (major) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sabriel9v Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 I'm not sure...isn't it like 9.1 cents per spin? And how you would define average to high spin ratio? When I interned at a pr firm we defined 4-7 plays a week as medium rotation and 8 or more spins as heavy rotation. I'm not sure what defines medium-heavy rotation in mainstream radio though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted February 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 High would be 2-3 spins a day I think. Average maybe one spin a day. Of course it last only a month or two then it goes down to maybe 1 time a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gtrbass Posted March 6, 2008 Members Share Posted March 6, 2008 Radio reports to ASCAP & BMI using the 'Scott System' which is like soundscan for airplay. You get paid on a tiered scale from your performing rights organization. The reason that a new indie act will probably not see a check from BMI/ASCAP is that they will not get enough spins on the larger stations. BMI/ASCAP does pay for college spins (just check their websites,) but even they state that they pay only about a million dollars a year for all college records. The problem is that there are about a thousand records mailed to college radio EVERY WEEK in this country (not all stations get all records, of course,) so using the numbers from BMI/ASCAP would show that each record gets $20. But what you don't see is that most of the money goes to less than one percent of all the records... the major label and major indie records... because they get the majority of spins, because of the level of marketing that they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echoshock Posted March 6, 2008 Members Share Posted March 6, 2008 I've wondered this too. Like how much do the Stones make per day when their songs are played hundreds of times per day across the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cygnus64 Posted March 6, 2008 Members Share Posted March 6, 2008 Radio reports to ASCAP & BMI using the 'Scott System' which is like soundscan for airplay. You get paid on a tiered scale from your performing rights organization. Correct. Ive had my CD played many, many times on the radio and never got a cent. Its extremely unfair and definitely geared to the major labels. There is no "listing" of how many times your song has been played. They only cover the major stations and do a statistical sampling of them. Dont quit your day job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Johnny-Boy Posted March 6, 2008 Members Share Posted March 6, 2008 I believe the large radio stations are required to keep a daily play list. However, I’ve been told, many times these play lists don’t reflect on what is actually being played. Yes, payola is still alive. John:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DanielQ Posted March 6, 2008 Members Share Posted March 6, 2008 I've actually wondered this as well. Is there anywhere that lists more "official" numbers/policies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gtrbass Posted March 6, 2008 Members Share Posted March 6, 2008 You can obtain access to credible airplay reports, but it is a expensive subscription based model. No free lunch there I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Johnny-Boy Posted March 7, 2008 Members Share Posted March 7, 2008 ArtistMonitor™ASCAP Members can now receive a 15% discount for ArtistMonitor™. Members can monitor their music's airplay online, on-air and also distribute it to Internet radio. Mediaguide ArtistMonitor™ lets you know every time your song or album has been played across a universe of over 2,500 radio stations, several cable music channels and selected XM channels. In partnership with Radiowave Airplay Monitor, the service also includes Internet radio data covering 3,000 stations as well as the distribution of one song to all 3,000 Internet stations. ASCAP members can now see the full picture of their music exposure - and with a 15% discount. For members: $76.49 quarterlyFor non-members: $89.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted March 7, 2008 Moderators Share Posted March 7, 2008 I believe the large radio stations are required to keep a daily play list. However, I’ve been told, many times these play lists don’t reflect on what is actually being played. Yes, payola is still alive. John:eek: No, stations don't keep logs anymore*, that went out back in the late 70s. Everything is based on their 'play list', and the aforementioned 'Scott System', Artist Monitor, etc. * at least none of the ones I have been associated with over the years...plus, a lot of DJs regularly 'bump' songs off their shows, particularly heavy rotation numbers or artists...we used to do this when I produced at KIIS-FM, we just had to mark the 'bumps' off on our schedule (play list) for each hour (I mean, how many times could you play a 'La Bouche' tune, or the Macarena in an hour and not puke?)...some times we got yelled at by the MD or the PD...but usually we just ignored them as long the the ratings were up ...when we were in unrated periods (midnight to 5am) we bumped stuff all the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Instrospection Posted March 15, 2008 Members Share Posted March 15, 2008 IMHO, you have to get thousands of plays a day in order to make any modicum of cash. I got my first royalty cheque for $7.83 last month, and I think it's 9.1 cents per play (or something like 9.1 cents per minute after 3 1/2 minutes....i'm not too sure exactly how they work it, but yeah). It cracked the top 30 and top 20 of a few campus stations and hit #1 at one campus station, even, so the real money isn't in royalties, it's more the exposure that one gets from it that's worth much more. Nielsen BDS' site has a "digital fingerprint" that you can register for, that ensures you the best possible chance of getting paid for all your plays--what it does is keep track of every time every song from your album is getting played. Anyone here who has music that has submitted music to campus radio stations should register--I know that SOCAN (Canadian version of ASCAP/ BMI....i'm registered with ASCAP, as well for US play) processes information up to a year old (ASCAP/BMI i'm not so sure). Here's the link! http://www.bdsonline.com/submit.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted March 15, 2008 Members Share Posted March 15, 2008 That's how much a songwriter gets per song on a CD. So if you get one song cut on Brad Paisley's next CD and he sells a million you get $91,000. Of course you have to split that with your publisher. I love hearing people talk about how they just want one cut so they'll be "set for life." Actually, you could be set for life if your one cut was something like "Yesterday," which besides being a huge hit at the time it came out, is still being played all over the world every day, and also enjoys the status of being one of the most covered song in all of recorded music history. Especially if you're your own publisher. Then you get 100% of writer's royalty and 100% of publishing. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning while holding the winning powerball ticket, but it is possible. I actually got a couple of checks from ASCAP this year; apparently a song of mine got some airplay in Norway for a little while. Not a lot, but it was $32.60 for me and $32.60 for my publishing company, which is me. $65.80 no fortune, but since I did nothing but put it out there into the marketplace and the checks just showed up one day, it's like free money. As someone wryly observed here when I shared this info before, "why, there are TENS of DOLLARS to be made in the music biz!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted March 15, 2008 Members Share Posted March 15, 2008 I got my first royalty cheque for $7.83 last month, and I think it's 9.1 cents per play (or something like 9.1 cents per minute after 3 1/2 minutes....i'm not too sure exactly how they work it, but yeah). It cracked the top 30 and top 20 of a few campus stations and hit #1 at one campus station, even, l Excellent! Good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cygnus64 Posted March 16, 2008 Members Share Posted March 16, 2008 Actually, you could be set for life if your one cut was something like "Yesterday," which besides being a huge hit at the time it came out, is still being played all over the world every day, and also enjoys the status of being one of the most covered song in all of recorded music history. Especially if you're your own publisher. Then you get 100% of writer's royalty and 100% of publishing. One also gets money for new use: putting the song in a movie, on TV etc. I played on a big hit album as a session player, and made money every time one of the songs was used. I actually make the money from AFTRA, which is American Federation of Televsion and Radio Artists. I still get checks and made the album in 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Instrospection Posted March 16, 2008 Members Share Posted March 16, 2008 Excellent! Good for you. Thanks man! It's not much money, but it's still cool to get. I think that as long as one networks with people that have the same musical taste at campus radio stations, it slowly catches on if you believe in what you do--which is what matters. Nice to see that you got some money from Norway plays! I think that people in Europe and the UK and places over there are a little more open minded to music. In the US and Canada (i'm from Canada), everyone has a tough sell ahead of them, because if you play a style that's well known, it gets lost in the shuffle of the many other bands competing for that ground. If you do something that's obscure, then people complain that they "haven't heard that before", ha ha. So yeah, Europe makes it alot easier in that sense, because they're open to different and original things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted March 17, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 I have a related question. If your song is registered in the SOCAN database and gets played in Europe, will they know it? Or are they just listening to Canadian radio stations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Instrospection Posted March 17, 2008 Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 Good question, poker....i'm wondering how they track it over there. Is there some equivalent of ASCAP/ BMI/ SOCAN over in Europe? I know that the Nielsen digital fingerprint works great in North America. Otherwise, they take a sample from certain times, and you don't get paid for every specific play, just an average from a certain time--which is something that musicians have been grumbling about. How did you go about getting tracked for plays in Norway, BlueStrat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poker99 Posted March 17, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 17, 2008 There is not much details on NDF website, I wonder how it really works!? Why SOCAN and other organizations are not using the same system? And after you get your report from NDF, who pay for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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