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  • Originally posted by Outkaster View Post
    That’s why I started my own project. I know I can’t control everything but I can make it that some of the stress and BS is a little less prevalent in my own band.
    I find it to be six-of-one/half-a-dozen-of-the-other for the most part. When I'm just playing in somebody else's band, it sucks that so little is to my liking. But if I'm running things, then there's all the stress that comes with herding cats and running the operation.

    It's always work. And work that doesn't usually pay all that well. You gotta love it to do it, for sure.
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    Appears the singers biggest problem is pitch and to much lesser degree his tone or phrasing. --- chord123

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    • If we didn't love it, we wouldn't be in here moaning about it...
      "We are currently experiencing some technical difficulties due to reality fluctuations. The elves are working tirelessly to patch the correct version of reality. Activities here have been temporarily disabled since the fundamentals of mathematics, physics and reason may be incomprehensible during this indeterminate period of instability. Normal service will be restored once we are certain as to what 'normal' is."

      Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally used up and worn out, shouting '...man, what a ride!'
      "The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively" ~Bob Marley

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      • Surely this must be some kind of record for a zombie thread!
        http://www.patcoast.com"The guy would be strumming along, singing the verse to “Margarittavile” and then he would hit his harmonizer pedal for the chorus. It went from sounding like a guy singing and playing guitar to sounding like the Stephen Hawkings trio."-Christhee68" the singer of my cover band used to find it funny to let out gaseous forms of vile hate and sadness that would make a plaster baby Jesus weep."- FitchFY

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        • Some topics are timeless.
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          Appears the singers biggest problem is pitch and to much lesser degree his tone or phrasing. --- chord123

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          • "Still jaded after all these years"

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            • I am beyond jaded. I don't want to play in a cover band haven't written anything in almost 2 years and have no faith in the Nashville machine. If I had any other expertise of worth, I'd be out of this business completely. That said there's good opportunity for $$ gigs near the beach with my skill set while I build up my private events production business....thinking about jumping outta here next year if things don't improve measurably. The quickest I can hire my own replacements from any band I have to play in while I get this thing up and running the better.

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              • Damned shame - I really like your originals .

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                • Originals are tough but good songwriting can help that. It's working out for us now pretty well. To have a crowd singing your songs back to you was something I never experienced up till this year and I am 46.
                  "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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                  • Originally posted by daddymack View Post
                    If we didn't love it, we wouldn't be in here moaning about it...
                    There is some truth to it. It's just hard sometimes to keep your head above water because there are always things in your way. Your married to 6 people in a band essentially. You have to deal with drama, money, personal issues and sometimes tragedy and keep the project moving at the same time. One thing I learned to do is accept that is it not a perfect thing. It helps me to navigate through things and become less jaded.
                    "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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                    • The pop star and the prophet - BBC News

                      This is something of a read.
                      “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”
                      John Adams, The Works Of John Adams, Second President Of The United States

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                      “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
                      H.L. Mencken

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                      • Yes that is interesting. The internet has changed things a lot.
                        "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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                        • Interesting article. I like how it mentions that musicians have been on the cutting edge of economic developments. I had never thought of it that way before, but it's true.

                          And its conclusion is one I've been saying for awhile: the only real way to monetize music going forward seems to be (at least right now) live performance. Because you can't duplicate that a million times over the way you can a recording. It's a one-time event.

                          The onus is then upon the musicians and the performers to come up with new ways to excite audiences and make attending their live performance something worth their time and money.
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                          Appears the singers biggest problem is pitch and to much lesser degree his tone or phrasing. --- chord123

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                          • Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                            Interesting article. I like how it mentions that musicians have been on the cutting edge of economic developments. I had never thought of it that way before, but it's true.

                            And its conclusion is one I've been saying for awhile: the only real way to monetize music going forward seems to be (at least right now) live performance. Because you can't duplicate that a million times over the way you can a recording. It's a one-time event.

                            The onus is then upon the musicians and the performers to come up with new ways to excite audiences and make attending their live performance something worth their time and money.
                            And, once more there's agreement that the middle man is the culprit and should be removed. I like your onus assignment. It seems to me it's the talent (source) people are seeking so that's where audience appeal (stage presence) needs to be practiced and nurtured. Maybe it's been too long in the hands of meddlesome money-grabbers ensuring the gig schedule instead of real audience demand.
                            “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”
                            John Adams, The Works Of John Adams, Second President Of The United States

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                            “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
                            H.L. Mencken

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                            • Well, there are always going to be middle men and managers. If, for no other reason, because musicians and other artists are notoriously horrible businesspeople.

                              But whenever and wherever you can cut the middle man out---then by all means do so!

                              In addition to being on the cutting edge of economic developments, musicians have always been on the cutting edge of technology as well. For whatever reason---and maybe its just because we are still in the early years of the development---musicians seem to be a bit slow in getting the hang of not only how to monetize with new technologies but how to entertain with them as well.

                              But there is just too much of a natural demand for music and musical entertainment for this to go on forever. Musicians just still seem to be too stuck in the old paradigms of the live band and the recorded song. It's a decades-old format so it's not all the surprising that new generations don't seem to be all that excited by it. Something will break loose soon, I predict. In the next 10 years maybe? We'll see people doing stuff with live music performance and technology and getting people to pay for it that we haven't even really thought of yet.

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                              Appears the singers biggest problem is pitch and to much lesser degree his tone or phrasing. --- chord123

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                              • Yes but will it be good, will it be concrete and something worth having? Face it musicianship and actually playing an instrument is not popular with kids. Kids don't dedicate themselves to anything anymore.
                                "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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