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  • #31
    I think if they are all good and no filler I can listen to 10-12. 45-50 Min. I'm really interested in what you guys think.


    I completely agree. Maybe it's an old school kind of way of looking at life, but I always felt like an album was 40-45 minutes long with 5 songs per side (cassettes, LP). Even if it's on a CD, 10 songs seems to work for me just fine. I was glad when Pantera released their last album with only 10 songs in 2000.

    I just think some bands go overboard. They see that there is 72-80 minutes available to "fill," and they think they need to fill the whole damn thing up.

    It's like a great show. Play great song after great song and leave 'em wanting for more.
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    • #32
      It depends on the length of the songs, genre, etc. A punk band playing 2 minute songs needs more than 12. If you're doing some ridiculous jammy prog rock you might get away with 6. Ultimately you should record more than you need and edit your album's content judiciously so it makes the best statement (for lack of a better word) you think it can.

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      • #33
        i thnk 12 songs sufficent for any album.i can easily listen 60 mins.

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        • #34
          to sell at your shows...along with the stickers, tees, hoodies, lighters, flashlights, keychains...while you tour constantly...


          No I mean, an album with 10-12 songs on it.
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          • #35
            No I mean, an album with 10-12 songs on it.


            Almost everyone I know is still making albums. Some are making EP's too. Some, I think are starting to move more towards EP's. Lefesetz says to put out a steady stream of new material to keep the fans satisfied and that we are now a single's based market. I'm not putting out singles, but I have considered just putting out 6 songs at a time which they are doing on the country format, calling them appropriately enough, 6 packs

            I like to think an album is still an artistic statement and no real artist I know wants to release ONLY ear candy that will fit a narrow radio, single's based format. This is the wrong direction and all artists understand this. It's evident when you look at the success of the Concert based, Jam Band scene. There is more to the experience than carefully crafted singles. The reason The Beatles changed rock and roll music is because they went in the studio and pioneered the album format as a complete artistic statement. It's a weird transition time to be sure in music and no one really knows how it's all going to play out.

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            • #36
              I think it's not a bad idea to release a 6-song EP, then another one, and then combine that to make a compilation that you can also call an LP. That way, you're basically releasing one side at a time and you still maintain the same flow as an LP.
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              • #37
                7-8 is fine as long as they're quality.
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                • #38
                  a good rock album 8-10 (look at early solo ozzy,van halen etc)

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                  • #39
                    I don't care how many songs are on it....I want 45+ minutes of music for my money.
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                    • #40
                      30 minutes of great music > 45 minutes of crap

                      It all depends on the style of music too.
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                      • #41
                        8-12 depending on quality, which should ALWAYS be the best an artist has to offer.
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                        • reactance
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                          I have a promotional CD with 16 songs lol too many? And I have another 16 for another CD. But I will also make another CD with like 6 songs including remixes for more widespread distrubution.

                           

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                          reactance wrote:

                          I have a promotional CD with 16 songs lol too many? And I have another 16 for another CD. But I will also make another CD with like 6 songs including remixes for more widespread distrubution.


                           


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                          A promo disc is your calling card, and as such, should only have some outstanding selections, 2-3.


                      • #42
                        8-12 depending on quality, which should ALWAYS be the best an artist has to offer.


                        I agree 100%.
                        Quality over quantity. I'd rather buy a 6-track EP, with every song a masterpiece, than buy a full-length album with 3 or 4 great songs and a whole bunch of "filler".
                        That's (obviously) not to say that there aren't great full-lengths out there.
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                        • #43
                          Almost everyone I know is still making albums. Some are making EP's too. Some, I think are starting to move more towards EP's. Lefesetz says to put out a steady stream of new material to keep the fans satisfied and that we are now a single's based market. I'm not putting out singles, but I have considered just putting out 6 songs at a time which they are doing on the country format, calling them appropriately enough, 6 packs

                          I like to think an album is still an artistic statement and no real artist I know wants to release ONLY ear candy that will fit a narrow radio, single's based format. This is the wrong direction and all artists understand this. It's evident when you look at the success of the Concert based, Jam Band scene. There is more to the experience than carefully crafted singles. The reason The Beatles changed rock and roll music is because they went in the studio and pioneered the album format as a complete artistic statement. It's a weird transition time to be sure in music and no one really knows how it's all going to play out.


                          Thank you! I was becoming somewhat enraged reading a lot of these posts. Why make an album these days? Because it's a work of art where the songs inform each other meaningfully. That's like asking why authors don't just write chapters instead of novels. C'mon people!

                          I know not everyone wants to be an artist when there's money to be made, but I'm surprised so many of you are more concerned with the product as a commodity than as a work of art.

                          For my bit, I'm working on two separate thematically-coherent works at the moment. One has six tracks and is about an hour long. The other has seven tracks and is only fifteen minutes. They are each as long as they have to be. I won't charge anything for either of them, but if you don't listen to them in their entirety, then you will miss something.
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                          • #44

                            12 or so

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                            • #45

                              The album as a release format, if not dead, is not doing very well. Don't get me wrong - I love albums, but not a lot of people are releasing great albums anymore, and even if you do, the public has shown that they currently prefer singles, and that they like having the ability to pick and choose whatever individual songs they want. Of course, with the advent of streaming and the demise of MP3s, we may still see albums making a comeback - but I think that's still a while into the future. For right now, too many people are too busy with other things to spend the time listening to an album from start to finish like people did in the 60s-80s.


                              Having said that, I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and to me, an album's running time is the issue more than the number of songs is. If it's a punk album full of 2 minute songs, you can fit more on there than if it's a prog album with 10 minute songs. Technical aspects of vinyl set the time limits - ideally, no more than 22.5 minutes per side. You can cram more on there than that, but you take a sonic "hit" for it if you do. When CDs came along, suddenly people could fit more material on a single disk, and did - and IMHO, that wasn't always a good idea. More is not always better.


                              I like to shoot for an album length in the ~45 minute range. Go longer than that, and people rarely have (or take) the time to listen to it as a whole... and far too often, you end up putting less than stellar material on it to fill out the length if you try to go longer than that.

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