Harmony Central Forums
Announcement Announcement Module
Collapse
No announcement yet.

30-watt tube amp enough for gigging?

Page Title Module
Move Remove Collapse







X
Conversation Detail Module
Collapse
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • 30-watt tube amp enough for gigging?

    I feel stupid asking this question, but I'm asking it anyway because I'm considering a new amp. I have gigged with all kinds of rigs, from pedals into power amps to rack rigs to the traditional half-stack arrangement. My best results have always come when running my pedalboard (distortion, EQ, delay) into old Peavey Classic combos, but in an attempt to find a compact, inexpensive head, I have been considering the new Classic 30 "Black Vinyl" head. Nobody in town has any 30s in stock.

    My concern is whether or not the amp would be loud enough in a band scenario. We are a metal band playing clubs where there is a PA and sound guy, so I know I will be heard one way or another, but I would be using an old ART distortion pedal and tube EQ for either all of my distortion or as a boost on the amp's overdrive channel. In my experience with other amps, I can get some great tones that way, but without the amp's preamp section cranked up, the overall volume isn't all that high. Our other guitarist uses a Peavey Heritage head (100 watts?) and our drummer hits hard AND triggers his kick drum.

    The Classic 30 probably sounds like an odd choice for a metal guy but I have always had better results with "non-metal" amps combined with pedals than with the high-gain amps that most local guys are using. The Classic 30 is small enough to sit atop an upright 2x12 cab if needed, and is more compatible with my current budget than Peavey's high-gain offerings. I'd like to have something that I can crank up to make the most of the power tube tone, and 30 watts *seems* sufficient, knowing that I used the Classic 50 combos with my same pedal setup for years...but I'd love to hear what other guitarists have done with similar rigs!
    <div class="signaturecontainer"><div class="bbcode_container">
    <div class="bbcode_quote">
    <div class="quote_container">
    <div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div>

    <div class="bbcode_postedby">
    <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>Captain_howdy</strong>
    <a href="showthread.php?p=43727935#post43727935" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a>
    </div>
    <div class="message">^^ this guy just said &quot;lard tsunami&quot;.</div>

    </div>
    </div>
    </div> <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/undereden2" target="_blank">UNDER EDEN: <i>The Science of Self-Defeat</i> at CD Baby</a> - / - <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Under-Eden/58946064400" target="_blank">Facebook</a> - / - <a href="http://www.under-eden.net" target="_blank">Official Website</a> - / - <a href="http://extrememetalmusician.blogspot.com" target="_blank">My Blog: Extreme Metal Musician</a><br />
    <br />
    Member of the Jackson/Charvel Army<br />
    ----------------------------------<br />
    Jackson Guitars - ART Preamps &amp; EQs - Peavey &amp; Carvin Amps - Rocktron, Tech 21 NYC &amp; EHX Effects</div>

  • #2
    Tough call to make without actually trying one out with your band.

    It should be enough but then, I don't know how hard your drummer hits, how loud the rest of your band usually is and how clean you need "clean" to be. The 30 shouldn't be dramatically different from the 50 volume-wise, though you may hear a difference in bass response.

    Personally, I'm a stickler for moderate stage volume. I've got to hear everything. So my 15 watt amps (Lightning & 5E3) are plenty for my needs.
    <div class="signaturecontainer">_______________________ _____________________<br />
    The Homebrews!<a href="http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-rupertamp" target="_blank">http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-rupertamp</a><br />
    <br />
    &quot;The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.&quot; -Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy</div>

    Comment


    • #3
      I can't really imagine any situation where a 30-watt tube amp wouldn't be enough... ok, maybe playing very big venues where the amp isn't mic'd- but why would you even try to do that?

      I think that amp would be fine. The only issue I can forsee is if the other guitarist plays ridiculously loud, but that's not a gear issue...

      Comment


      • #4
        Also... for what it's worth, one project I've been playing guitar with is a loud rock (definitely not metal, but there's a lot of distortion) band, with truly the loudest drummer I've ever encountered. I use a Deluxe Reverb (22watts) and I've never needed to turn it up past 5 or so.

        Comment


        • #5
          Tough call to make without actually trying one out with your band.

          It should be enough but then, I don't know how hard your drummer hits, how loud the rest of your band usually is and how clean you need "clean" to be. The 30 shouldn't be dramatically different from the 50 volume-wise, though you may hear a difference in bass response.

          Personally, I'm a stickler for moderate stage volume. I've got to hear everything. So my 15 watt amps (Lightning & 5E3) are plenty for my needs.
          <div class="signaturecontainer">_______________________ _____________________<br />
          The Homebrews!<a href="http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-rupertamp" target="_blank">http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-rupertamp</a><br />
          <br />
          &quot;The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.&quot; -Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy</div>

          Comment


          • #6
            I gigged with a classic 30 for a few years - solid little amp with plenty of juice - had it up against a Marshall Valvestate and it held its own just fine. For the price and portability, you can't beat it. That being said, I moved to a deluxe reverb because the cleans were better, but I would still gig the 30 occasionally if I had it.

            Dolan
            <br><br>My Gigging Gear:<br><br>Custom Zebocaster -&gt; Boss PedalTuner -&gt;Vox Wah -&gt; Boss Acoustic Simulator -&gt; SD TwinTube Classic -&gt;Digitech HyperPhase -&gt; Boss DD3 -&gt; Vox Volume Pedal -&gt;Fender DRRI<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.soundclick.com/seandolan" target="_blank">www.soundclick.com/seandolan</a><br><br><br><br><div class="bbcode_container"><br><div class="bbcode_quote"><br><div class="quote_container"><br><div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div><br><br><div class="bbcode_postedby"><br><img alt="Quote" src="images/misc/quote_icon.png">Originally Posted by <strong>BlueStrat</strong><br><a href="showthread.php?p=30514812#post30514812" rel="nofollow"><img alt="View Post" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png"></a><br></div><br><div class="message">&quot;Son, yer guitar is a lot like your gal- you can't ignore it all week and expect it to put out on the weekend!&quot;</div><br><br></div><br></div><br></div>

            Comment


            • #7
              My old AC-30 definitely held its own! Plenty loud.....
              <div class="signaturecontainer"><div class="bbcode_container">
              <div class="bbcode_quote">
              <div class="quote_container">
              <div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div>

              <div class="bbcode_postedby">
              <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>PHILL MOSSING</strong>
              <a href="showthread.php?p=23367856#post23367856" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a>
              </div>
              <div class="message">Women's restrooms look like a place where chimpanzees are killed by hand. <img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/freak.gif" border="0" alt="" title="freak" class="inlineimg" /></div>

              </div>
              </div>
              </div> Member of the Eye Spy Community-Military Intelligence (All Three)<br />
              <br />
              &quot;She'd look great on the end of my crank!&quot; Ray &quot;Bluenote&quot; Marquette<br />
              <br />
              Harmony Central Geeezer Brigade Wannabe #1 <img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/cool.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Cool" class="inlineimg" /></div>

              Comment


              • #8
                i have a Marshall 3203 head. it's definitely loud enough. i never have had it past "2" without an attenuator live.

                Comment


                • #9
                  I play an Orange AD30, and have never had to turn it up above 75% on the volume dial. And my band is pretty loud, plus I've played with this rig with other groups in country, metal, punk, and hard rock styles at all volumes.

                  I used to never play a gig with less than 50 watts, but since I got this rig a few years ago I've sold off everything else I had that was higher powered.

                  I don't think its a matter of "what # of watts is best?", but more of a "Does it sound right?" If my amp was 1,000 watts and I could make it sound the same as it does now, it wouldn't matter to me at all. If it was 5 watts, and sounded the same it wouldn't matter either. Power rating, brand name, size of cabinet, number of speakers, etc. don't matter as long as it sounds good.

                  You've already had experience with the Peavey Classics, and you can make them do what you want, so go for that.
                  <div class="signaturecontainer"><a href="http://www.myspace.com/thefreakinhott" target="_blank"><font color="Magenta">The Freakin Hott</font></a><br />
                  <br />
                  <b><font size="3"><font color="orange"> Orange </font>&amp; <font color="wheat">Tweed</font></font></b></div>

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    30 watts is just fine if its tube. I personally don't use anything over 50 watts, its cheaper to replace fewer tubes and the volume difference is negligible.
                    <div class="signaturecontainer">My band: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/powerwar" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/powerwar</a><div class="bbcode_container">
                    <div class="bbcode_quote">
                    <div class="quote_container">
                    <div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div>

                    <div class="bbcode_postedby">
                    <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>MrKnobs</strong>
                    <a href="showthread.php?p=21192859#post21192859" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a>
                    </div>
                    <div class="message">There is art and there is entertainment. Art may enrich the soul, but entertainment is what enriches the performer.</div>

                    </div>
                    </div>
                    </div> </div>

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I've played lots of gigs with a Classic 30, Mesa F30, and even a Gibson Goldtone GA-15RVT.

                      None of them have had any big problems. The Classic 30 and the Gibson got miced in the clubs. I've used both the SM57 and the newer Sennheiser E609 to mic the amps. Both sound great.

                      Sometimes I send my F30 direct out; other times, I mic it. Either way, it sounds great.

                      The only time I've ever had a hard time hearing it was when I had a bass cabinent with 8 tens right next to my little 12" combo.

                      Have fun!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Thirty watts should be fine.

                        I play most gigs with a 1x12 combo, usually a 40 watt Tone King Meteor II. But I almost always have it switched to half power. I suppose that is 20 watts. I sometimes gig with an old Deluxe Reverb or even a Pro Junior at 15 watts.

                        I started using 1x12 combos because they are very portable. And it means one less trip to the car. Sometimes I can bring in my whole rig for the evening- a couple gig bags in one hand and the amplifier in the other- in one trip. And that makes loading up and transporting easier.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          You'd be loud enough for me... I'm a keyboard player!

                          Seriously, I was in a loud situation for a few weeks with a guy that used an old Fender Deluxe. What are they... 22 watts I think... and he was plenty loud in his area onstage. He had a slew of pedals, and placed it close in and aimed it up at his head. Cranked and the sweetest sound in the world. Mic'ed through the mains of course.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            You'd be loud enough for me... I'm a keyboard player!

                            Seriously, I was in a loud situation for a few weeks with a guy that used an old Fender Deluxe. What are they... 22 watts I think... and he was plenty loud in his area onstage. He had a slew of pedals, and placed it close in and aimed it up at his head. Cranked and the sweetest sound in the world. Mic'ed through the mains of course.


                            A Deluxe Reverb, cranked, is LOUD. Probably too loud for most onstage applications!

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I should have added that I would typically play this through a 4x12 cab, but the vertical 2x12 might see some use for out of town shows where we want to travel light. The old Classics had solid state preamp sections and 6L6 power, which I ran in various configurations of 2x12, 4x10 and 4x12. Part of the reason I'm looking at the new Classic 30 is that for years I've been using an ART Tube EQ on my pedalboard, which runs a single 12AX7 tube and warms up my analog distortion pedal nicely. Unfortunately, the ART stuff is getting old and showing its age, so I'm thinking that a tube head with a nice clean channel or mild overdrive of its own could offer me the same benefits as the current arrangement.

                              Thanks for all the replies!
                              <div class="signaturecontainer"><div class="bbcode_container">
                              <div class="bbcode_quote">
                              <div class="quote_container">
                              <div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div>

                              <div class="bbcode_postedby">
                              <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>Captain_howdy</strong>
                              <a href="showthread.php?p=43727935#post43727935" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a>
                              </div>
                              <div class="message">^^ this guy just said &quot;lard tsunami&quot;.</div>

                              </div>
                              </div>
                              </div> <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/undereden2" target="_blank">UNDER EDEN: <i>The Science of Self-Defeat</i> at CD Baby</a> - / - <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Under-Eden/58946064400" target="_blank">Facebook</a> - / - <a href="http://www.under-eden.net" target="_blank">Official Website</a> - / - <a href="http://extrememetalmusician.blogspot.com" target="_blank">My Blog: Extreme Metal Musician</a><br />
                              <br />
                              Member of the Jackson/Charvel Army<br />
                              ----------------------------------<br />
                              Jackson Guitars - ART Preamps &amp; EQs - Peavey &amp; Carvin Amps - Rocktron, Tech 21 NYC &amp; EHX Effects</div>

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X