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  • Yeah, I don't think it is necessary for every member to be involved on every song. Every member of my band gets at least one song off a night for some reason or another. I don't have a problem at all with sitting out a song or two over the course of 3 or 4 sets.
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    • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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      Yeah, I don't think it is necessary for every member to be involved on every song. Every member of my band gets at least one song off a night for some reason or another. I don't have a problem at all with sitting out a song or two over the course of 3 or 4 sets.




      Really!?!?



      The drummer gets a break? . . . and the bass player?



      I think having even one person sit out a tune is very unusual (except for a lead singer). I've never been part of a band that did it, nor have I seen a group that did it. I guess if you're all multi-instrumentalists, it's different.

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      • [QUOTE=SeniorBlues;41247328]Really!?!?



        The drummer gets a break? . . . and the bass player?



        Well, yeah..and why not? Every working band I have played in would do at least one ac. guitar/piano + vocals number. Which would often be one of the highlights of the show. Don't have to all night long, ya know.

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          Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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          Really!?!?



          The drummer gets a break? . . . and the bass player?



          Well, yeah..and why not? Every working band I have played in would do at least one ac. guitar/piano + vocals number. Which would often be one of the highlights of the show. Don't have to all night long, ya know.




          I'm not saying it's a bad idea. It's just that I've never seen it. Maybe the scene has changed due to that fact that so many musicians now do a lot of solo and duo work. If that was going on back when to the same extent, I wasn't aware of it.

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          • Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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            Really!?!?



            The drummer gets a break? . . . and the bass player?




            Yeah, we do a couple of acoustic numbers that will just be me on guitar or keys and the singer.



            I find it makes for a very nice change-of-pace to, instead of just doing a ballad, pull it waaaay back and do an intimate, unplugged sort of thing. If you're going to change it up with a slow song, go out of your way to make it a show piece, IMO.
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            • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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              Yeah, we do a couple of acoustic numbers that will just be me on guitar or keys and the singer.



              I find it makes for a very nice change-of-pace to, instead of just doing a ballad, pull it waaaay back and do an intimate, unplugged sort of thing. If you're going to change it up with a slow song, go out of your way to make it a show piece, IMO.




              Of course the change of pace ballad probably wasn't an AC/DC tune . . . . My concern about marginalizing keyboard players by playing guitar band tunes remains. 10% - OK. 80% - those are the bands that wonder why they can't find a keyboard player.

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              • Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                Of course the change of pace ballad probably wasn't an AC/DC tune . . . .




                No. Our most popular acoustic ballad currently is doing the old Fleetwood Mac version of "Landslide".








                My concern about marginalizing keyboard players by playing guitar band tunes remains. 10% - OK. 80% - those are the bands that wonder why they can't find a keyboard player.



                Yeah, the 80% bands shouldn't be looking for a keyboard player unless they are lucky enough to find a multi-instrumentalist. I've been lucky, I guess, in that even though I DO play guitar, the bands and guitarists I've played with have always been very accepting of keyboard parts and keyboard tunes.



                In fact, the original plan for the band I'm currently in was to do a lot more keyboard music than we ended up doing. It was actually ME who pushed for more guitar tunes because, even though I initially hoped for a keyboard-heavy band, it was the guitar tunes that were working best for us at the gigs we were doing and the audiences we were playing for.



                Having added the female vocalist and the subsequent emphasis on more modern pop songs, I find I'm playing guitar less and less though.
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                • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                  Yeah, we do a couple of acoustic numbers that will just be me on guitar or keys and the singer.



                  I find it makes for a very nice change-of-pace to, instead of just doing a ballad, pull it waaaay back and do an intimate, unplugged sort of thing. If you're going to change it up with a slow song, go out of your way to make it a show piece, IMO.






                  We have a couple or three songs where our front man ,, acoustic guitar/ lead singer will just do a song solo. the whole band just sits out and lets him take the whole spotlight. In reality to have a band in on those would really muck up the mood of the songs. This guy really knows how to connect with a crowd....solo. we tend to throw those in as the next to last song before a break. he does the solo mood song ,, then we follow with one off the Last CD... then break on a up beat theme. it might not work for everyone , but since we back a solo singer songrwiter it really goes over well. The reality is that the show is all about him and the people in the crowd. Its part of the backing band thing ,, you need to understand your job....support the main guy. without him ,, there would be no XXX band.



                  We play the dinner show 7 to 10 deal ,, so our shows are not all about dancing ,, they are about entertainment.

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                  • Quote Originally Posted by rhat
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                    In reality to have a band in on those would really muck up the mood of the songs.




                    Yeah. If we just do a straight ballad with the full band playing, all we're doing is slowing down the tempo of the music, we're not really doing much for the 'show'. By having most of the band exit the stage and bring it down to just guitar and vocals, it creates an entirely different mood and pulls the audience in.



                    Then when we bust out of the ballad into the next rocker or dance tune, the next song has even that much more impact.



                    For us--especially since so much of the songlist itself is just the standard fare that "every other band does"--it's really about finding ways to get the most out of every song and turn them into performances as much as possible.
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                    • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                      Yeah. If we just do a straight ballad with the full band playing, all we're doing is slowing down the tempo of the music, we're not really doing much for the 'show'. By having most of the band exit the stage and bring it down to just guitar and vocals, it creates an entirely different mood and pulls the audience in.



                      Then when we bust out of the ballad into the next rocker or dance tune, the next song has even that much more impact.



                      For us--especially since so much of the songlist itself is just the standard fare that "every other band does"--it's really about finding ways to get the most out of every song and turn them into performances as much as possible.






                      We dont exit the stage ,,, that would really break up the flow of the show. you just lay out and let the guy really connect solo. that way we are ready to nail right back in after the mood song. we will never start a set or end a set on one of those really special songs. we dont run a rapid fire format due to the fact that the show is about the front man talking to the crowd ,, telling little stories and generally working them up close and personal. The goal of the show is to have everyone in that room walk out feeling that this singer song writer is a personal friend with an connection to them , his show and his music and his club or a club he works.



                      like i said its a dinner show deal... where we spool things up to more upbeat things as the tables get cleared and the party starts. i think that is what sets this show apart from alot of shows down here.

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                      • Quote Originally Posted by cooterbrown
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                        That's true for anybody who plays an instrument.

                        Ever heard a harmonica player who feels the need to continuously play and cover every hole?

                        Ugh!




                        amen to all the like minded posts...it took me YEARS when (i played drums)

                        to play less and less and use dynamics instead of chops....soon i was in demand and irreplacable, iguess its a sign of mastering your instrument, i.e.

                        being secure enough to stand down and leave some space in the music.
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                        • Time to wake up this thread!



                          After I originally posted this topic, we did find a keyboard player, who enjoyed touring with us last Fall. Now, we are just about to begin recording the new album, with tour dates lined up in October at some nice venues, such as B.B. King's in NYC. It is at this time that our keyboardist suddenly had to move far away due to unfortunate financial burdens.



                          And, yet again, I find myself in the same hole. No keyboard players respond to the ads - it's as if I just typed it to exercise my fingers.



                          So, I ask once again - in a place like NYC, which must contain literally thousands of keyboardists, why would not a single one answer an audition call for an established band that features keyboards as a lead instrument, welcomes creative input from this new member, and has everything in place to record and tour?



                          Here is the page of music examples I include with the ads - maybe you guys can tell me what would keep anyone from responding:



                          http://www.shadowcircusmusic.com/audio



                          and here is the ad itself:



                          http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/muc/2420967860.html
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                          • Quote Originally Posted by jplanet
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                            Time to wake up this thread!



                            After I originally posted this topic, we did find a keyboard player, who enjoyed touring with us last Fall. Now, we are just about to begin recording the new album, with tour dates lined up in October at some nice venues, such as B.B. King's in NYC. It is at this time that our keyboardist suddenly had to move far away due to unfortunate financial burdens.



                            And, yet again, I find myself in the same hole. No keyboard players respond to the ads - it's as if I just typed it to exercise my fingers.



                            So, I ask once again - in a place like NYC, which must contain literally thousands of keyboardists, why would not a single one answer an audition call for an established band that features keyboards as a lead instrument, welcomes creative input from this new member, and has everything in place to record and tour?



                            Here is the page of music examples I include with the ads - maybe you guys can tell me what would keep anyone from responding:



                            http://www.shadowcircusmusic.com/audio



                            and here is the ad itself:



                            http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/muc/2420967860.html








                            The same reasons why you had trouble the first time around. You need a better keyboard player than you can attract.
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                            • Quote Originally Posted by jplanet
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                              Here is the page of music examples I include with the ads - maybe you guys can tell me what would keep anyone from responding...




                              When I read any "musician wanted" adds - I know that the author of the add is doing his damnedest to put the best spin on the situation he's hiring for - and therefore expect that the add will read a little "rosy". Therefore, I look for things that create a "cognitive dissonance" for me. The following passages from your ad definitely create "cognitive dissonance" for me....





                              Shadow Circus is an established progressive rock band with two critically-acclaimed CD releases. We have a growing international following....








                              This is not (yet) a paid situation, but we are working very hard towards that goal. We are usually reimbursed for travel expenses to out of town shows, recording of the new CD is already paid for, pre-sales usually cover CD duplication costs, and royalties cover some expenses as well, but we usually still chip in about $10 apiece for rehearsals



                              Knowing that in a couple of weeks - I'm taking a drummer and bass player from one band that I've played with a couple of times and a guitar player who I've worked with for years to go play a 90 minute "Concert in the Park" show in a teeny, tiny little town just north of here with a guarantee of $100 per man without so much as a single rehearsal - I'm struggling to understand how an established band with critically acclaimed CD's and an international following are not only NOT getting paid - they're actually coughing up $10 each to rehearse.



                              I can't imagine competent keyboard players beating a path to your door in this situation. Having heard your material (which I think is excellent!) - I'm guessing you guys have more going for you than your add suggests with those two passages.



                              Personally, I'd leave the whole "this is a not (yet) paid situation..." thing out of the add - in the hopes that you'll attract some responses. Obviously, you'll need to be upfront about the situation - but you'll be able to articulate your WHOLE situation in the telephone conversation and like fare better than putting that in the ad. The passage about no money and it costs us cash to rehearse ... speaks 100x louder than the first passage about your accomplishments.
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                              • It was not (yet) a paying situation a year ago, and it's still not. Chances are it's not going to be. And you lost your last keyboard player due to $$ issues. Yeah, that would set off some alarm bells for me.
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