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  • 'I wish you'd stop using that double kick pedal'

    I'm sick of saying this to my drummer. He's pretty much the only drummer I can find (trust me, I've tried) and we're a post-rock/shoegaze band. I know he loves his metal but I'm so sick of hearing dddddddddddddddddddd in every song. I've tried asking him politely, but no dice. How do I put a stop to his arhythmic double-kick bukkake in every song? What is it with young drummers and double kicks? I know he's 17, but geez!
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    tell him to use it where iyou both think it fits, just to add a little dynamic. I don't know. Come to an agreement somewhere in the middle of what you both want.

    I love my metal and I do add double kick stuff here and there with my band. Not much as I used to (cuz it doesn't work) but some.

    We play a lot of 80s and modern pop.

    One that comes to mind is Poker Face. At the end of the last chorus of our rocked up version of pokerface (the puh-puh-puh- poker face puh-puh poker face) I do some double bass 16th note stuff. but it's more for dynamics than anything.
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    • #3
      I was producing a roots rock band. The drummer was great. At rehearsals though, he'd dive into these double pedal detours. Totally wrong for the project at hand.

      I pulled him aside and talked it out.

      "You got to play the gig. Play what's appropriate to the style or be branded a hack. In this case, cut and dried. NO DOUBLE PEDAL WORK!" Please.

      He nailed the sessions and was up to the challenge of focusing on the genre and style and not diluting or polluting it.
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      • #4
        there is a big difference between someone who knows how to use double kick and someone who just thinks its for playing the basic speed metal/thrash metal beat.
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        • #5
          If you're going to take it away from him, best to give him SOME place to do it just to find a bit of 'compromise'. At the end of a song with a big concert ending or something.

          Nothing ruins a good song or good band quicker than overplaying, IMO.
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          • #6
            Like anything else, using it all the time completely ruins the effect when you do use it.

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            • #7
              How do I put a stop to his arhythmic double-kick bukkake in every song?


              Put the band on hold for 2-3 years and then resume with him once he's got a bit more musical maturity.


              He's 17; if it isn't obvious to him already that it doesn't fit, you're most likely in a no-win situation as far as getting him to accept that it has no place in the music you're playing NOW.
              For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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              • #8
                Gotta yell at him or something, even the heaviest, most satanic, blastbeats a million miles an hour, know when to utilize a good steady single bass groove, in fact the single bass is usually what gives the guitar rhythm the most balls. Teach him to play real metal or get him to listen to other genres, jazz & funk for example use lots of syncopation, odd time signatures, etc very cool for metal!

                I knew a drummer just like him, he REFUSED to play single bass, said it was lame, gay, etc, etc. Fired him as he was a hopeless cause, and I've seen him recently still playing the same tired ass beats & bandless because no one wants a one dimensional player.
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                • #9
                  Drummers have double bass pedals.

                  Guitarists have wah pedals.

                  It's really the same thing. As my girlfriend would call it, "boys with their toys."
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                  • #10
                    I've told him (and showed him) that I can do the whole Joe Satriani/Paul Gilbert thing but I don't because it doesn't fit. I also reminded him of when we played with another local band and he said how the guitarist was overplaying and it sucked.

                    He still doesn't get the message but I don't want to have to let him go because he's the only drummer I've been able to find who'll even give this kind of music a go.
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                    • #11
                      I've told him (and showed him) that I can do the whole Joe Satriani/Paul Gilbert thing but I don't because it doesn't fit. I also reminded him of when we played with another local band and he said how the guitarist was overplaying and it sucked.

                      He still doesn't get the message but I don't want to have to let him go because he's the only drummer I've been able to find who'll even give this kind of music a go.


                      Based on what you're saying, it's not that he 'doesn't get the message'; clearly it's that he doesn't care/want to change his playing style.
                      Again based on what you've posted, he's clearly not the right drummer for what you want to do.

                      You have two logical options:
                      1) Change the kind of music you want to play to some sort of middle-ground between what you/he want.
                      2) Boot him.

                      And one not-so logical:
                      Continue to beat your head against a wall trying to make him into something that he is not.
                      For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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                      • #12
                        If you're going to take it away from him, best to give him SOME place to do it just to find a bit of 'compromise'. At the end of a song with a big concert ending or something.

                        Nothing ruins a good song or good band quicker than overplaying, IMO.


                        He probably won't listen to you. He thinks you won't fire him cause you can't replace him. He's looking to shine as a drummer not as part of a good band. Give him 20 minute solos and insist on double pedal throughout.
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                        • #13
                          This is funny. I had a dream the other night (true) that I was in The Police. And as much as I love Stewart Copeland, I was playing bass and singing, I guess I was Sting Knight, and Copeland was just going off. I was trying to put the song over and... dude. Stew... Coffee?

                          Imagine him with double pedal!!!
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                          • #14
                            Cut off his left leg at the knee.
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                            • #15
                              This is funny. I had a dream the other night (true) that I was in The Police. And as much as I love Stewart Copeland, I was playing bass and singing, I guess I was Sting Knight, and Copeland was just going off. I was trying to put the song over and... dude. Stew... Coffee?



                              Wait...in your dream, Stew was trying to outshine/overplay to be seen/heard over Sting/you?

                              And that's different from the real-life Police HOW, exactly?
                              oke:

                              Wait...maybe that means you REALLY ARE Sting?
                              For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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