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  • Talented = Dysfunctional ?

    This is going to sound odd but it had been on mind lately. I have played in a bunch of bands in my musical career, but there has always been some underlying constant that reoccurs with these groups. Sometimes to me it seems the more talented vocally and musically people are the more dysfunctional they are. I know that seems odd to say and a blanket statement but it
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    So as a guy at the other end of the spectrum, I ask, which do you prefer?
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      "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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      • #4
        Honestly, I don't find that much of a corelation. But I think when someone is very talented and a bit odd/dysfunctional it stands out more. And we're inclined to give him/her a pass because of his/her talent.

        Untalented people that are dysfunctional we simply are just less willing to put up with, but trust me---they are out there! They just don't stay in the band/business that long because they aren't bringing ANYTHING of value to the table.
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        • #5
          Someone once said, in reference to women, "Pretty, smart, and sane -- choose two."

          I think the same goes for musicians: "Talented, smart, and sane -- choose two."
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          • #6
            I'm the only musician I know who is talented, smart and sane. The rest are all a bunch of crazy idiots.
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            • #7
              I would have to say, in my experience...there is truth to this (Although, as guido61 mentioned, maybe it is a bit of a confirmation bias)

              By trade, I am software engineer. In the last decade I have worked with some really brilliant minds at various startups, and there is an apparent correlation between some level of, let's say eccentricity, with the the truly talented. Likewise, since music is mathematical and flows in the same area of the brain, many are musicians...And I would say the more creative, daring ones usually have some severe functioning issues in what the majority would call the real world.

              But, I may just be full of ****************...Please be aware that always has a high probability of being the issue...

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              • #8

                No transportation - usually bass players
                Difficult or dysfunctional home life - normally guitar player
                Addiction problems - normally any player
                Money problems - always the guitar player (but has 18 amps, 25 geetars, 5 wireless and 88 foot controller thingamabobs on the floor)
                Lack of good instrumentation - always the bass player
                Communication problems
                - normally geetar players



                I'm a drummer so I have a right to be biased about all the above haha

                Ok seriously: Seen it all really I have and put many wasted hours in trying to understand, negotiate and compromise to alleviate those shortfalls with no success, hence I will not do any drum work unless there are relationships established because in the end I am out time energy and money in a feeble wasted attempt to play for my music addiction.

                I can satisfy that addiction at home without dealing with some **************************** with Communication problems, Lack of good instrumentation, No transportation, Difficult or dysfunctional home life, Addiction problems (mental or physical) and lack of financial stability.

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                • #9
                  "Dysfunctional" depends on your perspective. If someone thinks great mathematical thoughts they may just not be interested driving. I am also in software and I find that when I am "on to" something requiring serious mental horsepower other things may fade away into the background noise.

                  Now I don't lose my driving skills but they can distract my social skills.

                  I think dysfunctional mostly equals doing things in a way "normal" people don't understand.
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                  • #10
                    "Dysfunctional" depends on your perspective. If someone thinks great mathematical thoughts they may just not be interested driving. I am also in software and I find that when I am "on to" something requiring serious mental horsepower other things may fade away into the background noise.

                    Now I don't lose my driving skills but they can distract my social skills.

                    I think dysfunctional mostly equals doing things in a way "normal" people don't understand.


                    Well said, and nice to meet another musical dev

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                    • #11
                      I'm the only musician I know who is talented, smart and sane. The rest are all a bunch of crazy idiots.


                      Haha, nice. Would smart and half-talented + half-sane work? If so, that's me.
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                      • #12
                        "Dysfunctional" depends on your perspective. If someone thinks great mathematical thoughts they may just not be interested driving. I am also in software and I find that when I am "on to" something requiring serious mental horsepower other things may fade away into the background noise.

                        Now I don't lose my driving skills but they can distract my social skills.

                        I think dysfunctional mostly equals doing things in a way "normal" people don't understand.


                        nice...

                        I think the word "talented" is often confused with creative. The musicians, or software engineers, novelists or scientists... that we really respond to, tend to be the ones who "go there" whenever the need arises.

                        It is one thing to see a technician blast off 16th notes and make your jaw drop, and it's another thing to see someone blast off those 16ths and build and recede and build and take you almost there then make you wanna cry then get angry and then you burst!

                        That's creativity. It provokes, reacts... it is. And that is going to that place inside yourself that isn't hampered be rational thought. And to go there at will.

                        Yeah, that can be seen as dysfunctional in everyday life.
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                        • #13
                          To the OP: I think its easy for the creative and talented people to be undisciplined or maybe "under disciplined."

                          People say, "hey, Joe's got some talent" so Joe figures he's all done, does nothing with his talent and acts like a prick because "he's so talented."

                          I think there's a "glass ceiling" for Joe's type which keeps them out of a lot of serious musical activity - basically no one can stand them.

                          What they need is to learn self discipline...
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                          • #14
                            To the OP: I think its easy for the creative and talented people to be undisciplined or maybe "under disciplined."

                            People say, "hey, Joe's got some talent" so Joe figures he's all done, does nothing with his talent and acts like a prick because "he's so talented."

                            I think there's a "glass ceiling" for Joe's type which keeps them out of a lot of serious musical activity - basically no one can stand them.

                            What they need is to learn self discipline...


                            Boy... that's for sure.

                            I have a friend who went from a very shy, together, solid musician in the 80's. He started using. He started laying around all day and listening to Coltrane and Monk. His head was in the clouds, doing coke and exploring the nether regions mentally. On the surface it appeared he was living the life of an artist. He was living the life of an addict.

                            And what an amazing, yet completely inconsistent player he is at 55. Take Coltrane, Jeff Beck, Muddy Waters and Monk piano chords on guitar, and blend them together. now put that spirit into the distressed and handicapped body and mind of the long term addict. He's made my cry... his playing, it's so wonderful. He's made me want to to kick him in the face too for being so bad at times, so... disrespectful of what he has. All gitched out and afraid of hios own shadow. Next night he's the devil on fire.

                            Discipline is a good thing.
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                            • #15
                              ... Discipline is a good thing.


                              Ha Ha Ha - isn't that for sure, especially these days... I figure 90% of the problems you read about here just "go away" when the band and is members are "disciplined."

                              What I find interesting is that virtually all people think that creativity comes from have the "life of an artist" - basically doing nothing but "creating."

                              Personally I think this is backward and wrong - I am more creative with I have tons of other **************** to do and can only grab short "bursts" to do music or whatever.
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