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Do you guys use a snake to FOH setup?

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  • Do you guys use a snake to FOH setup?

    For years, even with a sound man for many of them, we've been setting our board up near the side of the stage. In 2013 one of our goals is to get a snake and set up a real FOH for our sound man to run. But my question is, for those of you with a setup like this, how do you handle stages that are centrally located, ie you wouldn't be able to run the snake along a wall out to your FOH location you'd be obligated to cross a walk space...



    Maybe this is also a well-suited question for the pro audio forum.
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    Many venues have permanent hooks to hang the snake over doorways and/or out to the mix position. I used to carry some screw hooks to put up in the old days and would just leave them for the next time and/or for others to use (they are cheap enough). I also carry a couple cable ramp sections but those aren't all that effective . Now I have a mixer with wireless iPad support . Anybody local want a snake cheap?

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    • #3
      We use giant spring-loaded s-hooks to hang the snake cable from pipes, etc. - whatever may be overhead.



      We also have a 3' x 5' rubber-backed industrial carpet like stores use at their entryways. We'll use this to cover the snake if it needs to be on the floor. It doesn't entirely eliminate the trip hazard, but it helps reduce it quite a bit.
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      • #4
        Bought a Mackie DL1608... Uses iPad to wirelessly mix

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        • #5
          If we have to cross a doorway, we try to hang the snake above the door by tying it and taping it to whatever we can. If we can't hang it above the doorway, we'll duct-tape the hell out of it across the walk area and hopefully be able to put a rug over it.



          If we can't do that to satisfaction, we'll run it from the side of the stage. Our sound guy will often put a monitor with the FOH mix facing him there.
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          • #6
            It's also not that tough to mix from a side position out front rather than directly in the center of the room. That way, you only have the snake running down one wall. Whatever you choose to do, cover the snake at any point it becomes a trip hazard. Rubber ramps are great, industrial carpet runners work well too.



            I actually prefer to be against or near a wall, It can make mixing a bit more challenging. Reflections usually require walking the room a bit. By being near a wall, it eliminates foot traffic on at least one side of me. Being in the center of the room seems to invite people to flock to your location.

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            • #7
              Duct Tape = Polish Chrome

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              • #8






                Quote Originally Posted by Pro Sound Guy
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                Duct Tape = Polish Chrome




                Yep.



                There are some "best practices" ways of using duct tape to be safe and secure. The one basic one I learned... let me see if I can verbalize it.



                Let's say you have to go cross a door threshold. Stand on the snake at one side of the door, past the jam, then stretch the snake to the other side and stand on that. Run a piece cross the snake maybe 8" to hold it. Now really stretch the snake with the other foot, tight. Run another piece cross the snake at the other end to secure. You should have a tight run.



                Start running tape lengthwise to secure your taught run. Don't be afraid to use a lot of tape, though you can really learn to do runs with not much but well placed. The idea is to get a tight, direct, flat route fro a to b. Long runs can be handled in this same length of work, just repeat as needed. Section by section.



                If done well, it isn't a hazard. You have a nice smooth threshold with a gradual bump that is easily negotiated by foot traffic.



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                • #9
                  I'll just add my long-standing thought on duct tape:





                  Don't use it.

                  Ever.

                  Unless you're actually working on ducts.



                  No self-respecting musician should ever be caught dead with duct tape.

                  Unless, again, you're actually working on ducts.
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                  • #10
                    I use a black tape similar to duct tape. It works well and leaves no residue, is not noticeable
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                      Quote Originally Posted by joshmac
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                      I use a black tape similar to duct tape. It works well and leaves no residue, is not noticeable




                      Would that be gaffer's/gaff tape?



                      Congrats. You're using the right tool for the job...and oddly, IME, one of the very few who do.
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                      • #12
                        Kmart, "duct" tape is not suitable for working on ducts, either; you need special metalized tape for that.
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                          Quote Originally Posted by kmart
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                          I'll just add my long-standing thought on duct tape:





                          Don't use it.

                          Ever.

                          Unless you're actually working on ducts.



                          No self-respecting musician should ever be caught dead with duct tape.

                          Unless, again, you're actually working on ducts.




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                            Quote Originally Posted by kmart
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                            Would that be gaffer's/gaff tape?




                            I always thought it was simply black duct tape. Does duct tape have to be silver?



                            We use the black stuff. Copious amounts sometimes. Whatever that stuff is called.
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                              Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                              I always thought it was simply black duct tape. Does duct tape have to be silver?



                              We use the black stuff. Copious amounts sometimes. Whatever that stuff is called.




                              Gaffer's tape is not simply black "duct tape." IME, real gaffer's tape uses a much finer grade of cotton fabric than does duct tape. The fabric uses a finer weave of thinner threads. Gaffer's tape tears more cleanly and neatly. Gaffer's tape is not conductive, as it is cotton-based, without aluminum fibers sometimes found in duct tape. Gaffer's tape has a matt finish, unlike duct tape (irrespective of the color). I've seen gaffer's tape (and its narrow sibling, spike tape) in more than a dozen colors.



                              Real gaffer's tape uses a very different adhesive than what is used on all the "duct tape" I've used. (I haven't used every brand and grade of duct tape that is made, hence my qualified statement.) IME, quality gaffer's tape does not use as "gooey" an adhesive as found in duct tape. Accordingly, gaffer's tape does not leave as much glue residue when removed. I also believe that gaffer's tape has superior holding power for the many on-stage applications I use it for.



                              Real gaffer's tape also costs about $12 to $20 a roll, depending on source, quality, and quantity purchased.



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