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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceNorman
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    If you're an event band playing "all ages" crowds - you need to be able to assess the room and have depth and breadth of playlist to go in any direction for at least a set or two.




    I don't mean to pick on you personally, but I keep asking band leaders on this forum exactly what it is they are "reading" which prompts them to feel the need to change their set list. No one has ever tried to break this down.

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    • #17






      Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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      I don't mean to pick on you personally, but I keep asking band leaders on this forum exactly what it is they are "reading" which prompts them to feel the need to change their set list. No one has ever tried to break this down.




      I don't think there's any "science" to it - but rather a gut feel. Things that jump out at me when I'm looking at what the set list says and deciding whether or not changes are needed include the following:
      • Ratio of available seats to seats already filled

      • Percentage of tables with food on them

      • Age of the room

      • Gender makeup of the room

      • Nature of the conversation

      The start of the ngiht for a room full of 40-50 somethings gets pitched differently than a room full of 20-30 somethings. A room full of folks who are still eating sees a different pitch than a room that's primary drinking. A room that's predominantly guys drinking gets a different opening than a room full of couples ... and both of those get a different opening from a room full of with "guys" tables and "ladies" tables.



      Once we get past the first couple of songs - it's sorta like fishing .... you keep showing 'em different lures until you figure out what they're biting on today ... and then keep casting with what they respond to.
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      • #18
        Hit them with some of your most awesome stuff early on to make 'em sit up take notice and know that you are fabulous.

        Opening number has to get their attention. Has to make 'em think.....wow!



        At the very end of the night, hopefully they will have had such a good time and drunk enough alcohol to lose their artistic criticism ability and will be so blootered that as long as they hear a beat they can dance to it doesn't matter what you play!



        Then in the middle, give 'em a nice mix of stuff.



        I'd only do the slow, ease them into the show kind of music to open with if they are having dinner when you start.

        No dinner, no need to ease them in slowly.
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        • #19
          we have certain medleys that are usually 2nd or early 3rd set medleys. They are the ones that have (or could have) crowd participation. The main thing is to get your show to have NO filler-ALL killer!
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          • #20
            Ok, so without learning any new tunes, here is what I came up for our setlist next week. I'd be interested in your thoughts overall.



            Set 1

            Banditos - The Refreshments

            Hey Jealousy - The Gin Blossoms

            Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - The Spin Dr's

            Good - Better Than Ezra

            Creep - Radiohead

            Interstate Love Song - STP

            Comedown - Bush

            Saving Grace - Tom Petty

            Hemorrhage - Fuel

            Santa Monica - Everclear

            Low - Cracker

            Mekong - The Refreshments

            Crossraods - Cream/John Mayer



            Set 2

            Are you Gonna Be My Girl - Jet

            Ain't No REst for the Wicked - Cage the Elephant

            Bitch - Meredith Brooks

            Bring Me Some Water - Melissa Ethridge

            Mary Jane's Last Dance - Tom Petty

            3 AM - Matchbox 20

            Jeremy - Pearl Jam

            Kryptonite - 3 Doors Down

            Harder to Breathe - Maroon 5

            If You Could Only See - Tonic

            You Wreck Me - Tom Petty

            Say It Ain't So - Weezer

            Strage Face of Love - Tito and Tarantula



            Set 3

            You Oughta Know - Alannis

            Inside Out - Eve 6

            Next 2 You - Buckcherry

            Hard to Handle - The Black Crowes

            Give Me One Reason - Tracy Chapman

            Santeria - Sublime

            When I'm Gone - 3 Doors Down

            Just a Girl - No Doubt

            Blister in the Sun - The Violent Femmes

            Smooth Criminal - Alien Ant Farm

            Peaches - POTUS

            7 Nation Army - The White Stripes

            No One Knows - Queens of the Stone Age



            Set 4

            The Middle - Jimmy Eat World

            My Own Worst Enemy - LIT

            Flagpole Sitta -

            Dammit - Blink 182

            Ruby Soho - Rancid

            Hitchin a Ride - Green Day

            (S)He Hates Me -

            Machine Head - Bush

            Cumbersome - Seven Mary Three

            Possum Kingdom - Toadies

            Breed - Nirvana

            Killing In The Name - Rage

            Sober - Tool
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            • #21
              I don't mean to pick on you personally, but I keep asking band leaders on this forum exactly what it is they are "reading" which prompts them to feel the need to change their set list. No one has ever tried to break this down.


              For us, it's about age, gender and as much as it can be determined, cultural preferences. If there are a lot of 20-30 something females in the audience, we're going to play a much different setlist than we would if it's a lot of 40-50 something males.

              And you can often tell by how people dress and other cues whether they look to be more of a 'rock' crowd than a 'dance' crowd. And if you can't judge them by how they look, you can usually suss that after a few songs.
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              • #22
                I don't mean to pick on you personally, but I keep asking band leaders on this forum exactly what it is they are "reading" which prompts them to feel the need to change their set list. No one has ever tried to break this down.

                Pretty easy in my view.

                The guy that shows no situational awareness on stage is the last guy you want to listen to about what "works" and what "doesn't work".

                Pretty much that simple.

                Converseley, the guy(s)/gal(s) that ARE in tune with the crowd: the ones getting the shots brought up, the ones getting tips, the ones that talk to the patrons between sets. Those are the ones that know what's up. Pretty simple really.

                If you're in a band that doesn't have at least one guy pulling that off, you're doomed anyway. Stop staring at your shoes and engage would be my advice. You need at least ONE person with his finger on the pulse.

                I tell ya man: my eyes opened when I started on that road of actually making eye contact, getting to know people one by one. It's liberating. Do that and you'll know what "works" and what "doesn't", and you'll be fighting stupid dead air from the guys that are in their little bubble up there. Break the bubble.

                Engage. Play with confidence. The questions you are asking will answer themselves in real time when you do that,. There's no formula, somethign you can concoct beforehand. This is real time ****************. So: read your audience in real time, react in real time. Keep the beat going, in real time. Engage. Situational awareness.
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                • #23
                  Seems to me that the variables that have been discussed are going to be known ahead of time, right? The question wasn't whether set lists should be the same for every gig. More about why you would be unaware of who you're going to play for to the point where you'd have to change things up once you get there.

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                  • #24
                    Seems to me that the variables that have been discussed are going to be known ahead of time, right? The question wasn't whether set lists should be the same for every gig. More about why you would be unaware of who you're going to play for to the point where you'd have to change things up once you get there.

                    Why ask why? Just be aware and be ready to change it up. Or put your head down and get in a bubble and convince yourself you're in touch.

                    It's whatever. I'm not trying to run your life, the choice is up to to you!

                    Seems to me that the best approach is to be flexible, but I'm in a place where I've got nothing to prove. Do what you want. In fact, I'd rather that other bands suck. Gives me more opportunities. So I ain't dying on a hill to convince anyone to do what's right. Hell, do what's wrong. Stink up the joint. I like to see that. Opportunity.
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                    • #25
                      Seems to me that the variables that have been discussed are going to be known ahead of time, right? The question wasn't whether set lists should be the same for every gig. More about why you would be unaware of who you're going to play for to the point where you'd have to change things up once you get there.

                      So you're saying you know what the audience will be comprised of and what they will like/react to for every single show you play...ALL THE TIME?

                      I can assure you: you are in the minority on that, regardless if you're playing bars or privates.
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                      • #26
                        9-pin,

                        One of the things in my mind that makes a 1st or 3rd set song is how much alchohol is needed for people to get into the song. Also how early the start time is. If it really needs crowd participation it might be better to put it later when the crowd is lubed. No one starts clapping and singing along first set usually. Although a later start time is more likely to encourage that. Sometimes you have to sacrifice good tunes early on when no is dancing. That is a good time for quasi-dance tunes and vocal heavy numbers that hightlight your harmonies etc.

                        Looking at the list you posted I notice another issue if you are concerned about dancers. I find it best to place okay dance songs in between killer ones to pump them up a little. I noticed that you have Good, Creep and Interstate love song all sandwiched together. All 3 of those are mediocre dance tunes. Might be better to space them out some. Again with Jeremy into Kryptonite. ( I think Jeremy is a bad choice to begin with -but that is my opinion) but following with Kryptonite with its marching shuffle beat is not a good choice if you are concerned about dancers. I noticed some other times during the list that this happens. But you get the idea. Not trying to be critical. Just offering some suggestions that have worked for me.

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                        • #27
                          So you're saying you know what the audience will be comprised of and what they will like/react to for every single show you play...ALL THE TIME?

                          I can assure you: you are in the minority on that, regardless if you're playing bars or privates.


                          Surely, being surprised at who you're playing for is unusual, and if it should happen, are you going to revamp your whole set list or play your best show? . . . and if you do modify your list, wouldn't it make sense to do it before you go on, rather than on the fly? SmileyGuy gives some good examples of ordering according to tempo. If you're doing this on the fly, maybe you decide that you need a certain style/tempo RIGHT NOW instead of whatever you had planned. How many suitable songs come to mind and do you have a large enough set list to make those adjustments quickly throughout the night?

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                          • #28
                            Seems to me that the variables that have been discussed are going to be known ahead of time, right? The question wasn't whether set lists should be the same for every gig. More about why you would be unaware of who you're going to play for to the point where you'd have to change things up once you get there.


                            Because you don't always know. Whenever we play a private event we do the best we can to try and find out what the crowd is going to be like ahead of time, but you don't always get accurate info. How the contact person might perceive the makeup/tastes of the crowd isn't always reality.
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                            • #29
                              Surely, being surprised at who you're playing for is unusual, and if it should happen, are you going to revamp your whole set list or play your best show? . . . and if you do modify your list, wouldn't it make sense to do it before you go on, rather than on the fly? SmileyGuy gives some good examples of ordering according to tempo. If you're doing this on the fly, maybe you decide that you need a certain style/tempo RIGHT NOW instead of whatever you had planned. How many suitable songs come to mind and do you have a large enough set list to make those adjustments quickly throughout the night?

                              If a set isn't really connecting, it might take changing out only a few songs on-the-fly to make the difference.
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                              • #30
                                If a set isn't really connecting, it might take changing out only a few songs on-the-fly to make the difference.


                                We usually make up sets that are longer than necessary, then delete a few on the fly.

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