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  • #91
    I think they, and I said they, need to get a good solid singing front man to really carry this off. But he made the point that "all in good time".


    Yep. And I agree to give him that time as well.

    One thing I will suggest though, is that they can probably get much more vocally out of the pieces they have rather than just waiting around for a killer frontperson. Some well-placed harmony vocals can go a long way towards adding polish and professionalism to a band. In my band's previous incarnation as a 5-piece/no front man band we took things pretty far (the $1500 a night corp gig level) by working on having decent harmonies and finding songs that lent to the strengths of the individual lead singers. We had a lot of 'vocal only' rehearsals. Most of them were pretty tedious and annoying. A lot of nights were spent with guys saying "that sounds pretty good, let's move on" and me saying "no it doesn't. Let's run over that bit a few more times". Nobody, in my experience, seems to really like to spend much time sitting around singing harmony unless it sounds good---but if it already sounds good, you don't need to work on it.

    It's often like pulling teeth to get guys to practice singing, but good vocals really IS what separates the garage bands from the polished, pro acts more than anything else, IMO.
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    • #92
      So THIS is what happens when you get old. You guys are insane


      Dementia, along with deafness and the propensity to not know that it was time to cut your hair already years ago, is a common malady for aging musicians.
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      • #93
        So THIS is what happens when you get old. You guys are insane


        Absolutely!!!!
        Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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        • #94
          Hey, Wade -- does your drummer have a vocal monitor? If not, adding some monitors might really help. If he's a really loud drummer, you can add one on each side out of phase so that they cancel out at the microphone (phase cancellation does not happen in the brain).

          This is much much better than before, there is a lot more musicality there, but the vocal still sounds "forced" to me. Drumming like that and singing can't be easy. Is he doing daily cardio? Improving aerobic capacity certainly will not hurt; hopefully he does not smoke cigarettes.

          And I like your playing. And your hat.

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          • #95
            Actionsquid goes on a lovely, well deserved holiday to Hawaii, comes back filled with peace and aloha, and then has to moderate this?
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            • #96
              @ David, I used to think this was your "formula"(and I apologize for the over-simplication): Start with 4 at least average players who get along and can be depended on to learn new songs well enough to get through the first time live without clams, add at least one hot chickie (perhaps more later, on the hot chickie installment plan), work up the PERFECT crowd-pleasing set-list, tweaked for regional tastes, make sure the vocals, lead and harmony, are in tune and that the band CONNECTS WITH THE AUDIENCE.

              But actually, who could disagree with THAT? My group had similar priorities, even. Although I HAVE seen a local long-running group that relied too heavily on multiple vivacious girlies out front wearing wigs, sexy outfits and whatnot, that couldn't cut it when the wedding market here tightened up, because their musicianship couldn't hang with their competitors. Mainly because the weak link in the group was the unfire-able band founder and leader- not true in your case (other than the "unfire-able" part ).

              I tend to be a little antagonistic to an actual or perceived "musicians are a dime-a-dozen" mindset, same as you may be antagonistic towards what you see as "music as a religion" psycho-babble. FWIW I've seen many musicians who were better at 45 than 30, can't think of any of them that SUCKED at 30 though..also don't know about the idea that the most successful musicians are in the fewest bands during the course of their "career", although that definitely is nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes an individual can outgrow those around them. At the very least they need an outlet. BTW I got a lol out of your "dementia, deafness, and not realizing they need to cut their hair" comment. 2 out of 3 ain't bad, is it? .
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              • #97
                @ David, I used to think this was your "formula"(and I apologize for the over-simplication): Start with 4 at least average players who get along and can be depended on to learn new songs well enough to get through the first time live without clams, add at least one hot chickie (perhaps more later, on the hot chickie installment plan), work up the PERFECT crowd-pleasing set-list, tweaked for regional tastes, make sure the vocals, lead and harmony, are in tune and that the band CONNECTS WITH THE AUDIENCE.


                Well, it kinda IS a formula I promote for guys over a certain age looking to establish or restart their careers in music who don't want to be hanging out in the bars anymore and have a limited amount of time to devote to music.

                The trick becomes eventually distinguishing yourself in the marketplace because so many other bands choose the same route. But that's another topic for another day.

                As I've said many times, I've got no problem -- and greatly admire -- bands who go way outside the box in terms of style, genre, etc and still find good success. My only comment on those bands is pretty much all the ones I can think of who can be described as such have spend YEARS, if not DECADES building up their reputations in the market. And again, those bands usually aren't the ones coming to a place like this looking for tips. They already know what they doing. All I try to do, really, is offer some shortcuts so bands can maybe spend 2 years doing what might otherwise take 10.

                As far as playing ability goes? Yes. Play your ass off. Play the best you can. Work on being better. If there's some guy in the band holding your band back, think about replacing him with a better player. All I've ever really said about that is: hey. This is rock n roll we're talking about. There have been, and always will be bands made up of average, and sometimes even below-average players that can do very well in the business. Just because you may not be the most musically fantastic band out there doesn't mean your musical life should be over or only limited to the ****************tiest gigs you can scrounge up.

                You can practice things to death sometimes trying to get things perfect. If I waiting until I was the best player I could be before I started a band, I'd still be in my mamma's basement. At some point you just have to get out there and rock it out and sell it and make it work. The point is to have FUN. Don't get too caught up worrying about whether some other musician thinks you suck or not. Who cares?


                I tend to be a little antagonistic to an actual or perceived "musicians are a dime-a-dozen" mindset, same as you may be antagonistic towards what you see as "music as a religion" psycho-babble.


                I get that, and that's cool. I don't know if my attitude is that musicians are a dime-a-dozen, but what I DO know is that guys you can get along well with are not. And clicking with guys on both a personal and musical level is what makes playing in bands more fun than work, IMO.

                FWIW I've seen many musicians who were better at 45 than 30, can't think of any of them that SUCKED at 30 though..also don't know about the idea that the most successful musicians are in the fewest bands during the course of their "career",


                I didn't mean it to come out quite like that. I was trying to point out more that the BANDS have been successful, which is why they stayed together a long time. (And that I've been a part of making them successful so I can't be ALL bad...) But yeah, some of the best and most successful musicians I've ever known have never even really PLAYED in a 'band'. Or at least not longer than for one tour or something.

                But on one hand you have the real pro hired-gun type of guys who never really stay in one band long, but whom I consider REAL musicians (and all certainly much better players than me) and the guys who flit around from band-to-band always in search of something 'better'.
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                • #98
                  Actionsquid goes on a lovely, well deserved holiday to Hawaii, comes back filled with peace and aloha, and then has to moderate this?


                  Can someone else please read this whole thing for me and tell me what action, if any needs to be taken? I don't really feel like it.

                  Mentally, I'm still here:

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                  • #99
                    Can someone else please read this whole thing for me and tell me what action, if any needs to be taken? I don't really feel like it.

                    Mentally, I'm still here:


                    La la la - I'm feeling the aloha - la la la

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                      • Its about the vocals...it's always about the vocals. Which leads me to my question.



                        Yeah, agree 100% this ^^^^^^

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                        • [QUOTE=Actionsquid;47090732]Can someone else please read this whole thing for me and tell me what action, if any needs to be taken? I don't really feel like it.

                          OK, Mr. Mod Squid: Action(s) needing to be taken = NONE. Everythings good here!
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                          • I'm skipping a bunch of posts because I've already read the same rhetoric in the previous ones and don't need to repeat, but it appears to me at least that someone who is strongly advocating AGAINST mediocrity is in fact advocating it...

                            Focus on the groove at the expense of good vocals, regardless of the rationale behind it, yields the same results: meh band.
                            <div class="signaturecontainer">For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!<br />
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                            • Kmart, I don't think that anyone here is advocating that sucky vocals are OK- just that work on the playing is important, too. I myself HATE playing gigs where the vocals suck. No reason why an audience wouldn't feel the same way.
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                              • Getting back to the OP, Booker T and the MG's connected with and entertained lots of audiences without any vocals at all.

                                How can it always be about the vocals?
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