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Hey Lee Knight: Is this better

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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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    Of course you feel that way!



    And yet... there are so many at a "certain level" that believe they've got it sussed in that department and yet are clueless. No... I think it is always a worthwhile endeavor to pursue things like an improved groove, etc.




    Of course we all strive to continually improve as we age. Hopefully with everything in life. But the raw truth is some things you either have or you don't, and with music you certainly reach a point of diminishing returns for certain efforts.



    Think about it: even with bands that have been together for decades---say, ZZ Top or Rush or Tower of Power --- do those bands REALLY show marked improvements in their musical skills and abilities to groove 40 years later than they did when they were young? Sure, there is some degree of improved tightness and skill around the edges, but how they play individually and as a band is largely the same as it has even been. How many musicians with average ability to groove in their 20s did you see become groove monsters by the time they reached 50? Regardless of HOW much practice they put in?



    You either have it or you don't to a very large degree. You can disagree with me on that point if you want, but that's been my experience after decades of being a musician and working with dozens.








    Guido! Once again championing musical mediocrity and better wedding gigs!



    OK, Lee.
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    • #17
      ^^^ Hey! It's Guido!



      Wade completely transformed his groove from one video to the next, based on some friendly and hopefully helpful ideas of mine. So instead of speaking figuratively, let's talk specifics. He applied himself to a specific objective (which he inspirationally tends to do regularly it seems) and he totally nails some input. Pretty impressive.



      So where is the beef? Enough of the internet hypothesizing as you tend to do. Lets talk specifics. That is what this thread and one previous is about.
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      • #18






        Quote Originally Posted by tim_7string
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        I noticed this early on. Talent does not directly lead to lots of $$$. If it did, jazz and classical musicians would be raking in the dough while the pop and rock guys would be making a pittance.




        Yep. I grew up listening to a lot of rock, jazz and classical. Studied classical piano and all that. I certainly wasn't very old before I was smart enough to figure out that success in the pop/rock world was about a combination of musicianship, showmanship and popular appeal.
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        https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
        https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
        http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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          ^^^ Hey! It's Guido!



          Wade completely transformed his groove from one video to the next, based on some friendly and hopefully helpful ideas of mine. So instead of speaking figuratively, let's talk specifics. He applied himself to a specific objective (which he inspirationally tends to do regularly it seems) and he totally nails some input. Pretty impressive.




          I think the main difference in the two videos is the drummer isn't so focused on trying to play to a track in the second one. And, being a new band, they're obviously going to get tighter with continued rehearsal.



          Whether Wade is significantly better able to groove as a bass player than he could a few weeks ago or even several years ago? I dunno. Can't judge that from two video clips, so I won't comment on that.








          So where is the beef?



          No beef. Except to take Piano Whore to task for what I thought was an incorrect observation that conflated two separate issues. As we've discussed before, how a band PLAYS and how they SELL THEMSELVES are two completely separate things. This idea that one can only be done at the expense of the other, or if you haven't reached some other musician's subjective measure of skill you shouldn't even opine on selling yourself, let alone be out in the marketplace, is embarrassingly absurd for those who would take such a position.
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          http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
          https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
          https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
          http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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          • #20
            Torn between and
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            • #21
              Wow... have I've missed this! Complete, misguided, misguidoed hogwash. Really.

              Not that the business side and presentation side aren't important, but the fact that you post this crap on a thread having to do with groove and subtle musical performance ideas. I am truly lol'ing. Like out loud. Maybe I'm out of line but... if you really have to carry that flag nonstop, can you manage to not do it in a thread where it really doesn't belong.

              Wade! How dare you talk about this stuff in a musician's forum!!!! We need to discuss projectors and fog machines again!!!!
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              • #22
                I certainly wasn't very old before I was smart enough to figure out that success in the pop/rock world was about a combination of musicianship, showmanship and popular appeal.


                So how's that worked out for you? yikes
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                • #23
                  Wow... have I've missed this! Complete, misguided, misguidoed hogwash. Really.

                  Not that the business side and presentation side aren't important, but the fact that you post this crap on a thread having to do with groove and subtle musical performance ideas. I am truly lol'ing. Like out loud. Maybe I'm out of line but... if you really have to carry that flag nonstop, can you manage to not do it in a thread where it really doesn't belong.


                  It was a response to somebody else who took the subject there. Maybe you should be LOLing at him? Maybe it's YOUR direction that is misguided here? Oh, wait. It couldn't be THAT! Why, it's Mr. Lee Knight! King of grooves that want to make you ****************, fight or cry and of showmanship on the brink of destruction!

                  But hey, you do what feels best for you. As should everyone.
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                  band websites:
                  http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                  https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                  https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                  http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                  • #24
                    So how's that worked out for you? yikes


                    I had a pretty good run of it. No complaints or dissillusionments or disappointments at all. How about yourself? Did all that supposed extra attention to licks and grooves work out better for you?
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                    band websites:
                    http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                    https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                    https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                    http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                    • #25
                      I've played in a few classic rock bands over the last couple years that played some kinds of grooves fairly well. Others, not well at all, to the point where a lot of rehearsed songs never made it to the gig. In my experience, limited "groovability" is the reason the repertoire of so many groups is severely limited, and to the extent that musical variety determines your professional success, yes, groove is important.

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                      • #26
                        I had a pretty good run of it. No complaints or dissillusionments or disappointments at all. How about yourself? Did all that supposed extra attention to licks and grooves work out better for you?


                        The title of the thread reads "Hey Lee Knight". Not "Hey guido61". Is this really necessary?
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                        • #27
                          The title of the thread reads "Hey Lee Knight". Not "Hey guido61". Is this really necessary?


                          I didn't think so, no. But I wasn't the one who took things personal in this thread.
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                          band websites:
                          http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                          https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                          https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                          http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                          • #28
                            ^ Yes, but Piano Whore asked a question to Wade, not you.

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                            • #29
                              ^ Yes, but Piano Whore asked a question to Wade, not you.


                              Since when is the rule that one can only respond to questions asked of them? If that was the case, you just broke it yourself.

                              My response was polite and not personal. As were my first few responses to Lee even though he jumped in to get personal with me about a post not directed to him either.

                              If there's gonna be such rules, they gotta work both ways, doncha think?
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                              band websites:
                              http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                              https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                              https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                              http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                              • #30
                                Of course you feel that way!

                                And yet... there are so many at a "certain level" that believe they've got it sussed in that department and yet are clueless. No... I think it is always a worthwhile endeavor to pursue things like an improved groove, etc.

                                How you can even suggest otherwise is totally beyond me, and yet does seem par for the course.

                                Guido! Once again championing musical mediocrity and better wedding gigs!

                                Man, I hate to see this kind of thing.

                                Cuz you're right Lee. Doesn't matter how old, how long. We can always learn a little more, improve a little more, give a little more.

                                That attitude is a big reason why I don't hang out here anymore. There are a lot of FINE musicians, yes, MUSICIANS here in this town that I'd rather hang with, talk to, learn from.

                                Later peeps.
                                Kickin' it in the sticks...

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