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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by 3shiftgtr
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    So in the eyes of the bar owner, you are no different than a karaoke singer.




    And in the public too. Which you can't really blame people. They don't know how the technology works, for the most part, or what work goes into it, so it really shouldn't be much surprise if they don't make much of a distinction between karaoke and a guy sitting behind a keyboard and singing along with tracks.



    Doesn't help when so many of the solo acts aren't much better than a lot of karaoke singers and a lot of the tracks they play to are just pre-recorded music.



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    • #17
      I get where the club owner is coming from; I just happen to disagree with the premise. Karaoke is fun, but it's no more "live" than singing along to the car radio....and I doubt anyone would argue that singing in the car or shower qualifies as "live music".

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      • #18






        Quote Originally Posted by J.Paul
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        Yep

        That's something that bands can't compete with.

        Most good bands have some sort of element that includes or engages the crowd

        but that can't wholly include people the way karaoke does. I think that's why it's skyrocketed in popularity in the same way Twitter has.



        The old model is :

        you watch we play



        Their model is :

        we watch we play



        That's hard to compete with. Thankfully there are still enough people that just wanna hear good live music.




        It also probably explains why there are people that will just suddenly grab my microphone or come up on stage and point to themselves to 'take over' on a song or two. I usually turn them away, unless it's someone like the bar owner. I know that it's a different world now, but our band is what it is. I'm the main singer and I'm not interested in letting other people take away my job simply because they are used to being up there on karoake night. It's a sense of entitlement that bothers me.
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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by 3shiftgtr
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          So in the eyes of the bar owner, you are no different than a karaoke singer.



          And if I was a bar owner, I'd finish up with "So get over yourself." But I'm not. That'd make me an a**hole bar owner. So I won't.




          Exactly.

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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by J.Paul
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            yeah, that's pretty insightful



            Late night talk show bands are the only exception I can think (and perhaps The Voice band)...musicians that are featured (at least in passing), which BTW ~playing in a late night talk show band is still (probably) pretty high on most people's dream gigs (at least it is on mine)




            One of the main reasons I like shows like "The Voice" and "American Idol" is how good the bands are and I'm in awe of their ability to be so good, so diverse, and crank out so many tunes every week with what can't be more than just a bit of rehearsal on each tune.



            Having said that, so much of what is on TV isn't anything more than Karaoke or Lip-syncing, which, as Miko pointed out, certainly doesn't help. Christina Aguleira sang her new single on The Voice the other night and I'm pretty positive that everything besides her voice was tracked. So if that's a "live" performance, then why not karaoke?



            At the same time, musical performances on TV have been less-than-live for decades.
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            • #21
              So if that's a "live" performance, then why not karaoke?



              Good logic.
              If it's on TV ("...stay tuned for a live performance from......") it's a live performance.
              If it's at a local sports bar it's not because it's karaoke?
              By Dave's logic there has to be consistancy so if it's a "live performance" on TV (using tracks) then it should be considered a live performance at the bar (using tracks via karaoke).

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              • #22
                (Donning Ludite attire): Guido's comment about technology makes a good point. When there is no apparent difference between backing tracks and live performance, "the musicians" lose a bit. When a backing track is made using samples, that's another loss. Same for synth sounds that replace (for instance) a horn player. Ditto for electronic harmonizers.

                But similar arguements were made with the invention and acceptance of audio recording, and then radio, movies, and TV. I dunno. As Ian Shoals says, "I gotta go."

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                • #23
                  Good logic.
                  If it's on TV ("...stay tuned for a live performance from......") it's a live performance.
                  If it's at a local sports bar it's not because it's karaoke?
                  By Dave's logic there has to be consistancy so if it's a "live performance" on TV (using tracks) then it should be considered a live performance at the bar (using tracks via karaoke).

                  I'll be over there curled up in a fetal position ~~~>


                  Yeah, I just don't see how you can convince people who don't know better (and really shouldn't be expected to) that one is "live" and the other is not. So the distinction needs to be on "professional".

                  Because, pretty obviously, if Christina Aguleira walked into a karaoke bar and got up and sang a song, everyone there would consider that a "live performance", wouldn't they?
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                  • #24
                    Or live band Karaoke - they have interaction


                    I been to bar that had a live band and you just sit in and sing. I felt sorry for the musicians who had to endure all of the awful singers that sat in to sing.
                    They were great musician and great band with KB player that dubbed on guitar but just hearing some of the people sitting in butchering the tunes was some what painful to your ears.

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                    • #25
                      Yep.
                      That's genius.
                      I don't think we have one anymore in Nashville.
                      Big Jim Slade was doin' them at The Mercy Lounge for a while but not anymore.
                      There's one in Atlanta at The 10 High but they stopped or switched venues.
                      Do you guys have a live band karaoke where you're at??


                      The band that does 'Live Karaoke' here, is the best paid band around these parts. They are even flown out of state to do their 'Live Karaoke' thing for large coporations, etc. They can play over 1,000 songs and have the lyrics scrolling on screens for the patrons.

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                      • #26
                        Good post Mr. Brittain!

                        My house band project is live karaoke on Friday's and regular band on Saturday's. Lyrics are on video, backing tracks on right channel, click and my cues on left. We're neck deep in rehearsals at the moment. The idea is to have this as a product beyond our 13 weekend run at the ski resort and will work on the front four (Mon-Thurs) at small to large venues as well as corporates etc. I had a thread earlier this fall about ideas for keeping the house band idea fresh, time to add an update.

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                        • #27
                          live music???....no......Live entertainment????....yes
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                          • #28
                            At least Karaoke is a step up from the lip synch fad in the 80s. I can't be the only one that remembers that disturbing trend.
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                            • #29
                              Live entertaiment for sure, and a lot of times better fun than a lot of live bands...good for the venue as well, they can control volume, people drink a lot...I can see a lot f benefits over a live band for the venue, and that is very sad being that I play in a band...

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                              • #30
                                It's all about the vocals. If you don't have a good vocalist no one is going to come to the venue.


                                lol...I have yet to hear a good vocalist at a karoke session...
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