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  • karaoke IS live music

    When this came out of the club owners mouth I was beside myself......

    Do not be a jackass and argue this point with the person that is booking you.

    I got the date secured but am weirded-out that he honestly believes karaoke is LIVE music.

    What am I missing?

    Is that a common sentiment among civilian (non-musican types)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Paul
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    When this came out of the club owners mouth I was beside myself......

    Do not be a jackass and argue this point with the person that is booking you.

    I got the date secured but am weirded-out that he honestly believes karaoke is LIVE music.

    What am I missing?

    Is that a common sentiment among civilian (non-musican types)?




    Nah I dont think its common. karaoke is karaoke and live music is a band/duo/soloist. IMO
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    • #3






      Quote Originally Posted by J.Paul
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      When this came out of the club owners mouth I was beside myself......

      Do not be a jackass and argue this point with the person that is booking you.

      I got the date secured but am weirded-out that he honestly believes karaoke is LIVE music.

      What am I missing?

      Is that a common sentiment among civilian (non-musican types)?




      I would hope not, but who knows? In certain areas, it could be seen that way.



      I know that at a few places I have played, the bar owners/manager complained about the bands that included backing tracks with their show and considered them a 'lounge' act. So those particular people would definitely not call karaoke "live" music.



      From what I can tell, karaoke is popular because it's relatively cheap, it's interactive and it's a good way to get people that like to drink to come into the bar, something that isn't always the case with actual live music.
      (This is my Non-Signature.)

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      • #4
        Well, the person singing karaoke is live, so it's one step closer to "live music" than would be a DJ or a radio in a technical sense, I suppose. And one step below the solo guy-playing-to-tracks.



        I think the distinction that needs to be made isn't so much whether it's "live" or not, but one of "amateurs" vs. "professionals".
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        • #5






          Quote Originally Posted by tim_7string
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          karaoke is popular because ......., it's interactive




          Yep

          That's something that bands can't compete with.

          Most good bands have some sort of element that includes or engages the crowd

          but that can't wholly include people the way karaoke does. I think that's why it's skyrocketed in popularity in the same way Twitter has.



          The old model is :

          you watch we play



          Their model is :

          we watch we play



          That's hard to compete with. Thankfully there are still enough people that just wanna hear good live music.
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          • #6
            Or live band Karaoke - they have interaction

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              • #8






                Quote Originally Posted by nchangin
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                Or live band Karaoke - they have interaction




                Yep.

                That's genius.

                I don't think we have one anymore in Nashville.

                Big Jim Slade was doin' them at The Mercy Lounge for a while but not anymore.

                There's one in Atlanta at The 10 High but they stopped or switched venues.

                Do you guys have a live band karaoke where you're at??
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                • #9






                  Quote Originally Posted by wesg
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                  In related news, electric scooters are motorcycles!




                  I would say that's a pretty accurate comparison
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                  • #10
                    At the risk of being incendiary (not my intention,BTW) I think the comment is representative of the common perception that popular music is mostly about singing. TV shows feature vocal acts, and in a tight shot, nobody else is there on stage. Having a band or orchestra in the pit further contributes to the appearance that they aren't there, and the backing music just appears from the speakers. I could go on about media attention almost always being focused on the vocalist, but there isn't any real need to beat that horse some more. Mark C.
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                    • #11
                      Categorically speaking, karaoke is lumped into the live music category. In bar business trade magazines, solo acts, acts that play or sing to tracks, karaoke, bands....anything with a live human being contributing to the act of making music is considered live musical entertainment.



                      Where the frustration comes in is as G61 said, it's amateur vs. pro. But in a bar owner's eyes these days, pro do-it-for-a-living-bands are a thing of the past. Cover bands are mostly all weekend warriors. Now WE all know that weekend warriors can be deliver every bit the quality product as the full timers, but in the eyes of a bar owner, well that distinction is irrelevant. Very few bars can afford to pay what the full timers need.



                      So in the eyes of the bar owner, you are no different than a karaoke singer.



                      And if I was a bar owner, I'd finish up with "So get over yourself." But I'm not. That'd make me an a**hole bar owner. So I won't.
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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by jeff42
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                        Nah I dont think its common. karaoke is karaoke and live music is a band/duo/soloist. IMO




                        whew

                        good

                        I was starting to think I was loopy
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                        • #13






                          Quote Originally Posted by Miko Man
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                          At the risk of being incendiary (not my intention,BTW) I think the comment is representative of the common perception that popular music is mostly about singing. TV shows feature vocal acts, and in a tight shot, nobody else is there on stage. Having a band or orchestra in the pit further contributes to the appearance that they aren't there, and the backing music just appears from the speakers. I could go on about media attention almost always being focused on the vocalist, but there isn't any real need to beat that horse some more. Mark C.




                          yeah, that's pretty insightful



                          Late night talk show bands are the only exception I can think (and perhaps The Voice band)...musicians that are featured (at least in passing), which BTW ~playing in a late night talk show band is still (probably) pretty high on most people's dream gigs (at least it is on mine).... anyone know someone from Arsenio's new show?
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                          • #14
                            It's all about the vocals. If you don't have a good vocalist no one is going to come to the venue.
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                            • #15






                              Quote Originally Posted by 3shiftgtr
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                              Categorically speaking, karaoke is lumped into the live music category. In bar business trade magazines, solo acts, acts that play or sing to tracks, karaoke, bands....anything with a live human being contributing to the act of making music is considered live musical entertainment.



                              Where the frustration comes in is as G61 said, it's amateur vs. pro. But in a bar owner's eyes these days, pro do-it-for-a-living-bands are a thing of the past. Cover bands are mostly all weekend warriors. Now WE all know that weekend warriors can be deliver every bit the quality product as the full timers, but in the eyes of a bar owner, well that distinction is irrelevant. Very few bars can afford to pay what the full timers need.




                              Good stuff. Also very insightful.

                              There's still no listing for karaoke in Pollstar and many trades though.....Yet.
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