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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by New Trail
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    "Locked out of Heaven" is a totally infectious song. We tried it but our singer (who's REALLY good) just couldn't sing it. We considered dropping the key but he doesn't like to do that.



    "Whistle" by Flo Rida, although not exactly new, is working well for us.




    I've known a lot of singer unwilling to shift keys. Doesn't make sense to me. It's a rare song that doesn't sound good in a key that the singer can handle.

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    • #17






      Quote Originally Posted by wheresgrant3
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      For that novelty to connect most of the crowd really needs to listen to the radio and many don't... at least in the way people listened to Top 40 radio 10-20 years ago.




      This is a really good point. A lot of people listen to Sirius/XM, or Pandora. I'm not sure how Billboard determines its Hot 100 list, but looking at that top 10 vs. iTunes top 10 digital downloads shows a lot of overlap.



      That being said, depending on your market, it's definitely a good idea to wait until a song is saturating the market. For us, I look at the two regional Top 40 stations' websites to see what songs they're playing most often to help decide which songs we might want to pick up. Locked out of heaven is definitely one of them.



      BTW...am I the only one who thinks that song (at least the beginning) sounds like an old Police tune?
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      • #18
        Anybody doing "Hump De Bump" by RHCP? How's that one go over? I'm almost willing to keep that one around even if it's a slow starter, for a kind of "vanity bass" type of deal. Guess I'm from the school that thinks everyone in the band should have their moment to shine. It's definitely fun as hell to play on bass, and was a lot easier to learn than I thought it would be.
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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by wades_keys
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          Guess I'm from the school that thinks everyone in the band should have their moment to shine.




          Right on - with most shows averaging four hours, it's okay to play one song that may not be gold if it means making XYZ band member very happy!
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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by FitchFY
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            Right on - with most shows averaging four hours, it's okay to play one song that may not be gold if it means making XYZ band member very happy!




            It's kind of that, but for the whole band. Each guy I think should have his "moment".
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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by WynnD
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              I've known a lot of singer unwilling to shift keys. Doesn't make sense to me. It's a rare song that doesn't sound good in a key that the singer can handle.




              That's true. We did drop the key a half step on "Dynamite" and was okay with that.



              [QUOTE=wheresgrant3;47184167]So true. I'd say it rarely pays to be ahead of the curve when it comes to playing pop songs......



              Except that if you play songs when they're on the way up you can become known as the band that stays current. People will say "The first time I heard that song was when XYZ band played it." The downside is that the band is already tired of the song when it peaks.









              Quote Originally Posted by wades_keys
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              Anybody doing "Hump De Bump" by RHCP? How's that one go over? I'm almost willing to keep that one around even if it's a slow starter, for a kind of "vanity bass" type of deal. Guess I'm from the school that thinks everyone in the band should have their moment to shine. It's definitely fun as hell to play on bass, and was a lot easier to learn than I thought it would be.










              Quote Originally Posted by FitchFY
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              Right on - with most shows averaging four hours, it's okay to play one song that may not be gold if it means making XYZ band member very happy!




              I agree. You gotta do SOME songs just for you.

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              • #22
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                Quote Originally Posted by wheresgrant3
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                So true. I'd say it rarely pays to be ahead of the curve when it comes to playing pop songs......



                Except that if you play songs when they're on the way up you can become known as the band that stays current. People will say "The first time I heard that song was when XYZ band played it." The downside is that the band is already tired of the song when it peaks.




                I get what your saying... but I'll caution you as well.... rushing to add every new radio hit before they become hits doesn't make you 'more current' than the next. I'd imagine that most bands who are striving for the A-clubs in their markets are playing some form of modern top 40 (note: if your most recent song is still "My Own Worst Enemy" or even Crazy B*tch then you are not part of this group. )I'd much rather be known as a band that hits every show out of the park. Again, I've said this frequently here. Song choices are an important part of every band presentation, but it's only part of the equation. I know of a few bands that rush out material because it's popular or attempt to play songs they can't deliver and believe me... no one is rushing out to see them because of the other things on the list they are neglecting.



                We've strived for having the reputation of having an entertaining live show. If I asked people why they keep coming to shows I can gaurantee almost all would first say because they have 'fun'. None would mention the songs that we play. I can't imagine anyone even mention the fact that we covered the latest Flo'Rida, Rhi'anna or even 'Gangnam Style'. In fact people never talk to me about the material or songs that we play. They always talk about what we do with them (rapid fire, up tempo delivery). Maybe because we've worked on other aspects of the show to the point where song list is less relative to the shows success. Years ago we got concerned because there were a few bands outright copying our setlists, song choices, even the order they were played in. But what they didn't copy was the style. And you can guess how successful they were.





                I'd say that 30% of our setlist is and will always be current. 70% has largely remained unchanged in 5 years. The 'current' part makes us relative to younger audiences but it's what we do with all of the songs we perform that keeps people coming back. It's why a song 20 years old can garner as big a reaction as the latest Grammy hit from today. People in my experience, with the venues we play with this band, want to be entertained, they don't want to hear a jukebox or a live radio station. That's really what the 'other' bands offer.
                so over this signature BS!!!

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                • #23
                  Being entertained is a BIG part of all of this and that is what my trio is trying to do. We actually have more freedom than my "full Band" does (or did). There are only 3 of us and very like mindsets. We are willing to try anything. By limiting our instrumentation we have to find interesting ways of pulling off this modern pop stuff... and most of the time IMO we do and it has been showing. Its a novelty... sure but its fun! Its great to see the looks on people faces when they hear us play stuff no other trio in my area would dream of attempting.



                  many times I have heard people say they love how we do certain songs most bands don't touch. Its entertaining whether it's Flo Rida, Pit Bull or Tupac! If its not the ordinary Bar Songs we do it!



                  The newest stuff we do IMO is still "too new" and not familiar enough with the crowd- but it is getting a better reaction in the last few gigs so we will see...
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                  • #24






                    Quote Originally Posted by mstreck
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                    Bruno Mars' "Locked Out of Heaven" seems to be pure gold right now. We have Maroon 5's "One More Night" on deck for rehearsal this week.



                    Any other current pop that we should be paying close attention to?




                    As a DJ so far "Locked Out Of Heaven" has totally bombed - emptying the dance floor every time I've put it in. The tempo (142 BPM) is a little too fast for a DJ dance track and the feel is off. You guys in bands might have better luck with it. I'm waiting for a good remix, which so far hasn't surfaced.



                    It's getting a little old now but "Feels So Close" still reliably packs the dance floor and is a track practically any band could pull off. Lurk in waiting during the start of the song, then hit it really hard at the guitar riff and watch the room jump up and down in time with the beat.






                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEh3zEMYKzA





                    "One More Night" is the biggest download of the fall so far and always works as a dance track. I'm using an uptempo remix that also straightens the beat out, so don't be afraid to re-arrange it. Clubgoers are used to hearing it in all kinds of ways - even in dub mixes.

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                    • #25






                      Quote Originally Posted by mrcpro
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                      "One More Night" is the biggest download of the fall so far and always works as a dance track. I'm using an uptempo remix that also straightens the beat out, so don't be afraid to re-arrange it.




                      Anywhere I can hear that remix?
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                      • #26






                        Quote Originally Posted by mstreck
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                        Anywhere I can hear that remix?




                        Sure. It's the DJ Noodles remix on this page. The whole thing is probably on Youtube. On this one I chopped it into it's individual components, slowed it down to around 110bpm, taken the components out that I like, reassembled them, and then recorded them into my own mix to use at the club. That's the way DJ remixes work... they're construction kits that we manipulate in software.



                        http://www.djcity.com/search.aspx?se...one+more+night

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                        • #27
                          Not really looking to work up any new tunes for the moment---we'll hang with the set list we have until next spring, at which time there'll be a whole new list of material to consider--but I'm having a hard time not seeing how "Die Young" wouldn't be a huge winner for any chick-fronted band right now.
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                          • #28






                            Quote Originally Posted by jeff42
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                            Anyone doing "50 Ways To Say Goodbye"? Maybe it's more of a west-coast thing, what with the mariachi horn riff and all, but that one is on the radio a lot out here. I think it's catchy as hell.
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                            • #29






                              Quote Originally Posted by wades_keys
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                              Anybody doing "Hump De Bump" by RHCP?




                              Did it for a minute when it first came out in what.... '06-'07? Never got more than a 'meh' reaction for us at the time.
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                              • #30






                                Quote Originally Posted by WynnD
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                                I've known a lot of singer unwilling to shift keys. Doesn't make sense to me. It's a rare song that doesn't sound good in a key that the singer can handle.




                                I've played with that singer too. It's an ego thing. They think somebody, somewhere, is gonna notice that the band is playing the song in D instead of E and they're gonna think he's a wuss. No, dude, what they are gonna hate is when your voice is cracking all over the place because you can't hit the notes.
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