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  • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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    I've had and been around many more newer active cabs that have failed than power amps. You can always throw your extra power amp in anywhere its needed, or double-up a channel if just one dies. With an active cab you're kinda screwed. Other than subes, where you can quickly pull the module out and maybe connect the driver to a power amp, if the amp portion of the cab is separate from the internal volume. And that is only considering you have a poweramp to use, and a way to keep the highs out of it.




    You can do the same thing with your extra active cab, can't you?



    We've been using our JBL system for probably 5-6 years now. Nothing has yet to fail, although we did take a couple of the PRXs into the shop because they were getting a bit noisy. But we've never had a speaker fail at a gig. Should that happen, we carry around some Eons in the trailer for various purposes (satellite systems and such) and could always throw up one of those to get by with for a night. Losing a sub would be a bit more problematic, although that's yet to happen either. But I'd like to get a couple more anyway. In which case losing one would be less of a problem.



    I also have a pair of Yamaha powered speakers I used for my keyboard speakers for about 10 years--although now they are pretty much retired since we went to IEMs. Except for one blown horn (still not sure how that happened), those have never failed either.
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    • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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      I've had and been around many more newer active cabs that have failed than power amps. You can always throw your extra power amp in anywhere its needed, or double-up a channel if just one dies. With an active cab you're kinda screwed. Other than subes, where you can quickly pull the module out and maybe connect the driver to a power amp, if the amp portion of the cab is separate from the internal volume. And that is only considering you have a poweramp to use, and a way to keep the highs out of it.




      Maybe because the active cabs you were around were low budget.

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      • Quote Originally Posted by modulusman
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        Maybe because the active cabs you were around were low budget.




        I don't consider PRX to be low grade, do you?
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        • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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          the rocket scientists can't factor in weird room acoustics, crowd size, etc. Or having to cheat a little when you don't have quite enough rig for the gig.




          I'd never use crossover settings for that stuff, really, anyway. But like I said---if you consider yourself a sound engineer and get off on that sort of fiddling with stuff---GREAT! Personally, I don't. And I suspect most bar-band guys who come here asking questions about "passive or active?" really don't either.
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          • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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            You can do the same thing with your extra active cab, can't you?



            We've been using our JBL system for probably 5-6 years now. Nothing has yet to fail, although we did take a couple of the PRXs into the shop because they were getting a bit noisy. But we've never had a speaker fail at a gig. Should that happen, we carry around some Eons in the trailer for various purposes (satellite systems and such) and could always throw up one of those to get by with for a night. Losing a sub would be a bit more problematic, although that's yet to happen either. But I'd like to get a couple more anyway. In which case losing one would be less of a problem.



            I also have a pair of Yamaha powered speakers I used for my keyboard speakers for about 10 years--although now they are pretty much retired since we went to IEMs. Except for one blown horn (still not sure how that happened), those have never failed either.




            maybe your old Yammies dodn't have much for limiting. Either, way, you can certainly blow a driver even with proper limiting. I would much rather lose a poweramp in a powered sub than a powered top cab. The sub is much easier to run passive temporarily.
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            -For Sale: <br />
            -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
            -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
            - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
            - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
            - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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            • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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              I don't consider PRX to be low grade, do you?




              No, but they are also pretty notoriously reliable. What sort of failure rate/experience were you seeing with these?
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              • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                You can do the same thing with your extra active cab, can't you?



                We've been using our JBL system for probably 5-6 years now. Nothing has yet to fail, although we did take a couple of the PRXs into the shop because they were getting a bit noisy. But we've never had a speaker fail at a gig. Should that happen, we carry around some Eons in the trailer for various purposes (satellite systems and such) and could always throw up one of those to get by with for a night. Losing a sub would be a bit more problematic, although that's yet to happen either. But I'd like to get a couple more anyway. In which case losing one would be less of a problem.



                I also have a pair of Yamaha powered speakers I used for my keyboard speakers for about 10 years--although now they are pretty much retired since we went to IEMs. Except for one blown horn (still not sure how that happened), those have never failed either.




                Always a good idea to have back-up for mission critical gear. In 10 years of owning over two dozen active cabs i have had one Mackie sub fail. It was a $35.00 repair bill for a loose soldier joint. I also had one of my PRX512ms start making noise occasionally. That was a also a cheap fix just required some crimping on a ribbon cable.

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                • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                  I'd never use crossover settings for that stuff, really, anyway. But like I said---if you consider yourself a sound engineer and get off on that sort of fiddling with stuff---GREAT! Personally, I don't. And I suspect most bar-band guys who come here asking questions about "passive or active?" really don't either.




                  I thought you were referring to EQs more than crossovers. But certainly the crossover can help for certain things. Either one can also be very useful if it has adjustable lo-cuts.
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                  -For Sale: <br />
                  -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                  -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                  - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                  - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                  - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                  • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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                    I don't consider PRX to be low grade, do you?




                    No they are MI grade. Have you owned any or was it some $300.00 speakers that you bought thinking you were getting a good deal.

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                    • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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                      maybe your old Yammies dodn't have much for limiting. Either, way, you can certainly blow a driver even with proper limiting. I would much rather lose a poweramp in a powered sub than a powered top cab. The sub is much easier to run passive temporarily.







                      Well, not unless you're carrying around an extra power amp. Sounds like you routinely keep a lot of redundancy/extra gear with your system anyway. So not sure why you'd be so concerned about stuff failing in the first place.
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                      • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                        No, but they are also pretty notoriously reliable. What sort of failure rate/experience were you seeing with these?




                        I'm just saying that was one that failed in a band I was playing with. Fill-in drummer is also the main repair tech for a decent sized sound/lighting company in Sioux Falls, so I get to see a lot of the stuff that comes in for repair.
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                        -For Sale: <br />
                        -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                        -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                        - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                        - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                        - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                        • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                          Well, not unless you're carrying around an extra power amp. Sounds like you routinely keep a lot of redundancy/extra gear with your system anyway. So not sure why you'd be so concerned about stuff failing in the first place.




                          mainly I'm saying that one spare poweramp is far more versatile than one spare powered cab.
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                          -For Sale: <br />
                          -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                          -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                          - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                          - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                          - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                          • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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                            I thought you were referring to EQs more than crossovers.




                            I was, until you brought up the "Rocket scientists" and what they don't account for when building active cabs, so I thought you must have been talking about crossovers.. No, they don't build EQs into active cabs. No one has suggested they do. Again, the need for an EQ is the same regardless of whether a system is active or passive, so I'm not sure why we're discussing EQs.
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                            https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
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                            • Quote Originally Posted by modulusman
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                              No they are MI grade. Have you owned any or was it some $300.00 speakers that you bought thinking you were getting a good deal.




                              No they were the bass player's 612s. I have bought $300 speakers that were a good deal, but what do they have to do with this? For the record, I am a huge JBL fan, especially their SR-X stuff.
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                              -For Sale: <br />
                              -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                              -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                              - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                              - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                              - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                              • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                                I was, until you brought up the "Rocket scientists" and what they don't account for when building active cabs, so I thought you must have been talking about crossovers.. No, they don't build EQs into active cabs. No one has suggested they do. Again, the need for an EQ is the same regardless of whether a system is active or passive, so I'm not sure why we're discussing EQs.




                                forget it, you seem to have forgotten part of the bantering. Lets just say, use what works best for you.
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                                <a href="http://www.myspace.com/tbone_tommy" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/tbone_tommy</a><br />
                                -For Sale: <br />
                                -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                                -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                                - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                                - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                                - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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