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    Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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    OTOH, they assume that since everything is properly matched and fool proof with a matched powered setup, there is nothing to do but hook it up and play thru it. If they have no interest in learning much about sound, that's great. But powered cab's don't do anything for funky rooms or major crowd changes, or a certain frequency taking off on the kick or toms, etc.

    For the ones using very basic mixer->powered speaker setups, do they have no EQ'ing available for the drums, no reverb for the snare or possibly toms, etc?




    Well only an idiot would not have some form of system EQ other than a channel strip. With modern technology gear is getting lighter and smaller. I recently got rid of my older mixers and now use either a presonus 16.4.2 or 16.0.2. Built in graphic EQs,compression, effects etc. As I get older the less heavy crap I have to move the better.

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    • #92






      Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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      dealing with breakdowns sure is easier with passive setups.




      Not really. What sort of breakdowns are you talking about?
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      • #93






        Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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        dealing with breakdowns sure is easier with passive setups.




        So if some band with only one power amp or powered mixer has it fail the would be better off than having a powered speaker go out. You could still limp through the gig with one powered speaker.

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        • #94






          Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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          dealing with breakdowns sure is easier with passive setups.






          Its all heavy when you get over 60 and have had shoulder surgery.
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          • #95






            Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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            No more or less than they have with a comparable passive system. If you want to put an EQ in the system, it's the same either way, right? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.




            I'm talking about using the tool to do the necessary things. That comes with knowledge.
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            • #96






              Quote Originally Posted by TIMKEYS
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              Its all heavy when you get over 60 and have had shoulder surgery.




              certainly is!
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              -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
              - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
              - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
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              • #97






                Quote Originally Posted by modulusman
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                So if some band with only one power amp or powered mixer has it fail the would be better off than having a powered speaker go out. You could still limp through the gig with one powered speaker.




                well yeah, I guess, but you're asking for problems then.
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                -For Sale: <br />
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                -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                • #98






                  Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                  Not really. What sort of breakdowns are you talking about?




                  mostly the poweramp nature.
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                  -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                  - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                  - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
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                  • #99






                    Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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                    I'm talking about using the tool to do the necessary things. That comes with knowledge.




                    Well sure. But if you need an EQ--or any other piece of outboard gear--- and need to learn to use it, that's the same regardless of whether your system is active or passive.
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                    • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                      Well sure. But if you need an EQ--or any other piece of outboard gear--- and need to learn to use it, that's the same regardless of whether your system is active or passive.




                      Yes, I'm speaking about the assumption that constantly gets made that everything is perfectly matched together in a powered system, therefore you just flip the switches and go.
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                      -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                      -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                      - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                      - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                      - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                      • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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                        mostly the poweramp nature.




                        How does a power amp failing in a passive system make things any easier than an active cab faiing? And how often does this happen to you, anyway? Seems the passive-system guys sure worry about component-failure a lot. Which leads me to believe many of them might be better off with actives. Or better passive gear, at the very least. They sure do make it seem like "one side of my amp went out!" is a fairly common occurance, anyway.



                        But the key to being prepared for ANY sort of component failure is some degree of redundancy within your system. With an active system that's either carrying around an extra cabinet, or being able to limp through the gig with one less speaker. Maybe two guys double up on a monitor for the night if you need to utilize one of the monitors for the mains. Or you limp by on one less sub.



                        Which is pretty much what happens during most passive system failures anyway.
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                        • tlbonehead, why did you go back to passive instead of active. Just wondering if maybe the quality of the active cabs you were using wasn't a factor.

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                          • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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                            Yes, I'm speaking about the assumption that constantly gets made that everything is perfectly matched together in a powered system, therefore you just flip the switches and go.




                            To a much-larger degree, yes. When you're not worried much about amp settings or crossover settings, that's a few less dials and switches you have to deal with. But sure---if you need to EQ the room, you need to EQ the room, regardless.



                            But some guys like to fiddle with system settings. That's cool. Some think they can get a better sound than what the "rocket scientists" at the manufacturers can do. A few might even be able to. That's all good.



                            But most can't. Or even want to. Most musicians I know don't really want to be audio engineers. They just want to play. But for the guys that get off on that stuff, I'm sure there will always be all sorts of component systems available for them to fiddle with.
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                            • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                              How does a power amp failing in a passive system make things any easier than an active cab faiing? And how often does this happen to you, anyway? Seems the passive-system guys sure worry about component-failure a lot. Which leads me to believe many of them might be better off with actives. Or better passive gear, at the very least. They sure do make it seem like "one side of my amp went out!" is a fairly common occurance, anyway.



                              But the key to being prepared for ANY sort of component failure is some degree of redundancy within your system. With an active system that's either carrying around an extra cabinet, or being able to limp through the gig with one less speaker. Maybe two guys double up on a monitor for the night if you need to utilize one of the monitors for the mains. Or you limp by on one less sub.



                              Which is pretty much what happens during most passive system failures anyway.




                              I've had and been around many more newer active cabs that have failed than power amps. You can always throw your extra power amp in anywhere its needed, or double-up a channel if just one dies. With an active cab you're kinda screwed. Other than subs, where you can quickly pull the module out and maybe connect the driver to a power amp, if the amp portion of the cab is separate from the internal volume. And that is only considering you have a poweramp to use, and a way to keep the highs out of it.
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                              -For Sale: <br />
                              -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                              -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                              - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                              - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                              - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                              • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                                To a much-larger degree, yes. When you're not worried much about amp settings or crossover settings, that's a few less dials and switches you have to deal with. But sure---if you need to EQ the room, you need to EQ the room, regardless.



                                But some guys like to fiddle with system settings. That's cool. Some think they can get a better sound than what the "rocket scientists" at the manufacturers can do. A few might even be able to. That's all good.



                                But most can't. Or even want to. Most musicians I know don't really want to be audio engineers. They just want to play. But for the guys that get off on that stuff, I'm sure there will always be all sorts of component systems available for them to fiddle with.




                                the rocket scientists can't factor in weird room acoustics, crowd size, etc. Or having to cheat a little when you don't have quite enough rig for the gig.
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                                -For Sale: <br />
                                -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                                -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                                - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                                - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                                - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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