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  • #16
    We wouldn't EVER low ball an out of town gig. First timers or not, that is a LOT of work and a LOT of time. If they're not willing to pay a fair rate...and by that I mean a rate that's WORTH IT for you to do the gig....then just don't do it. We price ourselves out of a lot of overnight gigs and we're totally fine with that. If they really want us they're gonna pay big bucks for us to travel...otherwise we're just fine with not doing it and playing another in town gig for half the rate (and half the work).



    OP: Add up all your costs, then figure out how much profit you want to make the gig worthwhile, and there's your rate.
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    • #17
      It might be less expensive to pay someone to drive the band home after the gig.
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      • #18
        "Profit" seems like a vague term in the band business. Basically you're mostly looking at labor costs, which should include time on stage, rehearsal time, and, especially in this case, travel time. Add the actual costs of the specific gig - gas, motel, food. Equipment costs are usually thought of as part of your basic gig rate, including both personal and band gear.



        The point is, there are a lot of guys out there moonlighting in any field who don't understand how to run a business, no matter how small. If, on the other hand, this is all viewed as one big party, then I guess if everyone thinks that way, you could just go for it . . . except it kills your band, and every other band, in the long term.

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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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          The point is, there are a lot of guys out there moonlighting in any field who don't understand how to run a business, no matter how small. If, on the other hand, this is all viewed as one big party, then I guess if everyone thinks that way, you could just go for it . . . except it kills your band, and every other band, in the long term.




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          • #20
            All good points......venue is a private birthday party @ a very big lake. There are some very nice clubs in this area, so we were thinking of trying to connect with some of them while down there. There could possibly be more jobs come out of this gig. I know 3 hrs of a drive is not that far for some, but for me the P.A. specialist/roadie/drummer/vocalist...im dead tired after we get done. This would be our first job out of town that required an over night stay IMO. From my figures....and upping the band members pay by a whopping $25 each, it looks to be around $1200.......expenses are making up around half of the total. Heres how I broke it down....



            fuel for 2 vehicles..........................$200

            meals..(lunch/dinner/breakfast)........$180

            motel..........................................$22 5

            band...........................................$60 0

            _____________________________________

            total $1205
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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by race81
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              All good points......venue is a private birthday party @ a very big lake. There are some very nice clubs in this area, so we were thinking of trying to connect with some of them while down there. There could possibly be more jobs come out of this gig. I know 3 hrs of a drive is not that far for some, but for me the P.A. specialist/roadie/drummer/vocalist...im dead tired after we get done. This would be our first job out of town that required an over night stay IMO. From my figures....and upping the band members pay by a whopping $25 each, it looks to be around $1200.......expenses are making up around half of the total. Heres how I broke it down....



              fuel for 2 vehicles..........................$200

              meals..(lunch/dinner/breakfast)........$180

              motel..........................................$22 5

              band...........................................$60 0

              _____________________________________

              total $1205




              Based on that, assuming I wasn't extremely close friends with anyone from the party.. I'd quote them $1400 without accommodations, $1200 with. That gives you some room to negotiate if you think the buyer is "almost there", it justifies the extra hotel expense, and it's likely in line with quotes your party would get from an agency to book a cover band.

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              • #22
                How many members in the band? In other words, how many people are there to get paid? Decide how much money each member wants to make to take home from the gig, add expenses, maybe add a little extra $ in case of emergencies, and that's your quote. There's no good reason to drive 3 hours to play a gig on the cheap.



                fuel for 2 vehicles..........................$200

                meals..(lunch/dinner/breakfast)........$180

                motel..........................................$22 5

                pay for 5 musicians........................$1500 <<<< YOU decide this

                Extra for Emergencies.....................$300

                TOTAL.......................................$2405

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                • #23






                  Quote Originally Posted by New Trail
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                  How many members in the band? In other words, how many people are there to get paid? Decide how much money each member wants to make to take home from the gig, add expenses, maybe add a little extra $ in case of emergencies, and that's your quote. There's no good reason to drive 3 hours to play a gig on the cheap.



                  fuel for 2 vehicles..........................$200

                  meals..(lunch/dinner/breakfast)........$180

                  motel..........................................$22 5

                  pay for 5 musicians........................$1500 <<<< YOU decide this

                  Extra for Emergencies.....................$300

                  TOTAL.......................................$2405




                  He said in the first post that there were four of them. And I think $2405 is WAY too high for a one nighter at a private party. Unless the people running it are all highly-paid professionals, I think they are going to balk at that price.



                  $1200 seems more reasonable to me. I also like Blackbird 13's advice. Make sure they realize that it will cost a lot for accomodations and that you will need to have those in order to make the gig, where driving back right after the gig for three hours is not an option. Trust me, I've done that before and it really sucks.
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                  • #24
                    4 guys have to drive 6 hours , bring a pa, play the gig, then go to a motel, eat out at least two meals, buy gas, etc. Geez, if that's not worth at least 500.00 a man WTH? OTOH, if the band usually makes 600.00 a gig or less, your probably not going to get 2k or better. But you never know. Why do they want your band? The answer to that question is the answer to how much they will pay.

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                    • #25
                      [QUOTE=Blackbird 13;47271520]C'mon man.. that's the kind of attitude that hinders musicians from looking at things like a business. Unless there is serious exposure (national television or a showcase for legit A&R reps), a personal reason (like sharing the stage with one of your musical influences, or doing a favor for a friend), or financial gain.. why take the gig at all? Why not just book something closer to home that DOES benefit your business?[/QUOT



                      There are lots of ways to build a business. I know I used to get a lot of **************** from my fellow flight instructors because I was willing to fly cheap for some chief pilots that I knew in the beginning. They used the same logic. Most of them either flounded along as back of their car flight instructors or left the career. I was the guy that had a job flying a turbo prop. They were too busy pinching the penny to invest their time in their own career. I agree , there has to be a reason to cut some breaks on expenses. I just think that getting out and gigging in your area , and 3 hours is your area is more important than dingin a customer for a few burgers on the drive over there. My theory is one gig typically leads to another, so the more you play the further along you will be in establishing your act.
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                      • #26






                        Quote Originally Posted by tim_7string
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                        He said in the first post that there were four of them. And I think $2405 is WAY too high for a one nighter at a private party. Unless the people running it are all highly-paid professionals, I think they are going to balk at that price.



                        $1200 seems more reasonable to me. I also like Blackbird 13's advice. Make sure they realize that it will cost a lot for accomodations and that you will need to have those in order to make the gig, where driving back right after the gig for three hours is not an option. Trust me, I've done that before and it really sucks.




                        Sorry, I missed that they were a four piece. How much is your time worth to you? For a regular 4 hour gig $25 an hour? At a local gig an hour set up and an hour tear down makes that about $16 an hour! Add three hours drive each way (6 hours total) and you're down to $8.30/hr. How much is your time worth?









                        Quote Originally Posted by MartinC
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                        4 guys have to drive 6 hours , bring a pa, play the gig, then go to a motel, eat out at least two meals, buy gas, etc. Geez, if that's not worth at least 500.00 a man WTH? OTOH, if the band usually makes 600.00 a gig or less, your probably not going to get 2k or better. But you never know. Why do they want your band? The answer to that question is the answer to how much they will pay.




                        I think $500 each sounds about right, and take expenses out of that. It seems to me that someone who would want to book a band from that far away would expect a higher price. $2000-$2500 per night for a band who is three hours away is NOT out of line IMO.

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                        • #27






                          Quote Originally Posted by New Trail
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                          Sorry, I missed that they were a four piece. How much is your time worth to you? For a regular 4 hour gig $25 an hour? At a local gig an hour set up and an hour tear down makes that about $16 an hour! Add three hours drive each way (6 hours total) and you're down to $8.30/hr. How much is your time worth?







                          I think $500 each sounds about right, and take expenses out of that. It seems to me that someone who would want to book a band from that far away would expect a higher price. $2000-$2500 per night for a band who is three hours away is NOT out of line IMO.




                          It really depends on the band. A 300 dollar band is still a three hundred dollar band even though they are 150 miles away from home.
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                          • #28
                            We are not a very old group. We started gigging out in feb, of 2012, after 4 months of rehearsals. But it seems we have pleased a few people and are getting word spread through different folks and recommendations. Normal gigs we charge $500 for clubs and bar gigs. Im not gonna price myself out of a gig. If these gigs were a couple a month deal, I could see a higher price, but we are not there yet............yet!
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                            • #29






                              Quote Originally Posted by MartinC
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                              4 guys have to drive 6 hours , bring a pa, play the gig, then go to a motel, eat out at least two meals, buy gas, etc. Geez, if that's not worth at least 500.00 a man WTH? OTOH, if the band usually makes 600.00 a gig or less, your probably not going to get 2k or better. But you never know. Why do they want your band? The answer to that question is the answer to how much they will pay.










                              Quote Originally Posted by New Trail
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                              Sorry, I missed that they were a four piece. How much is your time worth to you? For a regular 4 hour gig $25 an hour? At a local gig an hour set up and an hour tear down makes that about $16 an hour! Add three hours drive each way (6 hours total) and you're down to $8.30/hr. How much is your time worth?...I think $500 each sounds about right, and take expenses out of that. It seems to me that someone who would want to book a band from that far away would expect a higher price. $2000-$2500 per night for a band who is three hours away is NOT out of line IMO.




                              I would love to charge $2000-2500/night for a private engagement. But more likely than not, if I were to quote that for my band, they would hear that price and move on. Even though we are pretty good, we are still asked if we can give people a discount. With the current public attitude that music has little to no value, we could probably quote $100/night and people would ask if we would take $80 instead.









                              Quote Originally Posted by TIMKEYS
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                              It really depends on the band. A 300 dollar band is still a three hundred dollar band even though they are 150 miles away from home.




                              Yep, very true.









                              Quote Originally Posted by race81
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                              We are not a very old group. We started gigging out in feb, of 2012, after 4 months of rehearsals. But it seems we have pleased a few people and are getting word spread through different folks and recommendations. Normal gigs we charge $500 for clubs and bar gigs. Im not gonna price myself out of a gig. If these gigs were a couple a month deal, I could see a higher price, but we are not there yet............yet!




                              There you go. We charge $500-600 for out-of-town gigs ourselves for bars and clubs, higher for private parties and weddings. We are still seen as a fairly new band ourselves (not even two years old). Even if I added a fourth member, I seriously doubt we would be able to get $2500 for one night somewhere, anywhere, for anybody. You have to know your market and your place in it.
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                              • #30






                                Quote Originally Posted by tim_7string
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                                ...... With the current public attitude that music has little to no value, we could probably quote $100/night and people would ask if we would take $80 instead. .....




                                Well that's a sad situation. I wonder if those folks try to get the caterers, or the venue, or the liquor suppliers, or the florists, to give a discount?

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