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  • Plugging into the house system? Or not.

    Here's a picture of where my eight-piece will be playing Sunday:

    http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/19jf2...ZZRLLacSEzR7GA

    It's a battle of the bands (yeah, I know, . . . . an agent wants to hear us.)



    With 12 minutes between half-hour sets, should I assume we ALL go DI. They provide mics and monitors? Drums? Mix sound on the fly?



    This is normally a "metal" room, although I suspect at least a couple of the other seven bands will play other genres.



    This could be fun . . . or a train wreck.

  • #2
    I'm probably telling you stuff you already know but...The last thing you want to do in this situation is to have to depend on an unknown to hear anything but vocals in the monitors, and with a twelve minute throw and go change over, even that may be a crapshoot. Bring amplication for instruments. If you want to make things a bit smoother, have DI's for keyboards and bass already patched into your gear so that all you need is an XLR to their system and your good to go. Let them mic guitars, drums and vocals. Keep the monitors "vocals only" and don't try to muck them up with a bunch of instrumentation just because you can. When I say bring amps, I don't mean to cover the room, I mean as stage monitors. Keep the stage volume as you would (or at least should) when you're rehearsing so that everyone can hear vocals first and instrumentation second. Because here's the deal in a situation like this; unless they're utterly incompetent, if you can deliver a spot on stage performance because everyone is pitch perfect and can hear themselves and each other, it's really hard to screw that up out front. Conversely a train wreck on stage is a really LOUD train wreck out front.



    Added: You could also advance a stage plot and bring a few copies with you the day of the show. It shows a level of professionalism on your part and would be appreciated by the crew if they're any kind of professionals themselves.
    I love to sing, and I love to drink scotch. Most people would rather hear me drink scotch.

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    • #3
      I'm probably telling you stuff you already know but...The last thing you want to do in this situation is to have to depend on an unknown to hear anything but vocals in the monitors, and with a twelve minute throw and go change over, even that may be a crapshoot. Bring amplication for instruments. If you want to make things a bit smoother, have DI's for keyboards and bass already patched into your gear so that all you need is an XLR to their system and your good to go. Let them mic guitars, drums and vocals. Keep the monitors "vocals only" and don't try to muck them up with a bunch of instrumentation just because you can. When I say bring amps, I don't mean to cover the room, I mean as stage monitors. Keep the stage volume as you would (or at least should) when you're rehearsing so that everyone can hear vocals first and instrumentation second. Because here's the deal in a situation like this; unless they're utterly incompetent, if you can deliver a spot on stage performance because everyone is pitch perfect and can hear themselves and each other, it's really hard to screw that up out front. Conversely a train wreck on stage is a really LOUD train wreck out front.



      Added: You could also advance a stage plot and bring a few copies with you the day of the show. It shows a level of professionalism on your part and would be appreciated by the crew if they're any kind of professionals themselves.
      I love to sing, and I love to drink scotch. Most people would rather hear me drink scotch.

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      • #4
        What's the other option?

        Set-up your own PA?

        If it's not a powered mixer type set-up (which it looks like a decent board and some subs),

        I would go for it.



        On the other hand if an agent (that is credible) is ACTUALLY coming out to hear the band I would go to any extreme to put yourself in a controlled environment to look, sound, and perform your best. This automatically omits any battle of the bands scenario. Rent a room to showcase.



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        That's what you're doing.
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        • #5
          What's the other option?

          Set-up your own PA?

          If it's not a powered mixer type set-up (which it looks like a decent board and some subs),

          I would go for it.



          On the other hand if an agent (that is credible) is ACTUALLY coming out to hear the band I would go to any extreme to put yourself in a controlled environment to look, sound, and perform your best. This automatically omits any battle of the bands scenario. Rent a room to showcase.



          example :

          if Megan Fox wanted to go on a date I wouldn't take her to my buddy's bail hearing.

          That's what you're doing.
          SELLING
          $40 Washburn Lyon wah
          $50 Korg EXP2 expression pedal
          $80 Ernie Ball VP Jr volume pedal
          $60 Electro Harmonix Octave Multiplexer
          $600 Rivera TBR1 2 channel preamp stereo power amp
          $150 Roland GP100 preamp/multi effects/ speaker emulator
          $140 Carvin DCM 150-150 watt stereo power amp

          www.jpaulmusic.com
          www.facebook.com/jpaulmusic

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          • #6
            The agent set this up . . . . Don't know what that says about his creds, if anything.



            I tried calling the venue, but got no answer so far. They're under new management, so I don't know what they'll be able to tell me.



            I'm not asking for advice . . . . more like shared experiences with this kind of format/setup. I don't know what choices we'll have, if any.

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            • #7
              The agent set this up . . . . Don't know what that says about his creds, if anything.



              I tried calling the venue, but got no answer so far. They're under new management, so I don't know what they'll be able to tell me.



              I'm not asking for advice . . . . more like shared experiences with this kind of format/setup. I don't know what choices we'll have, if any.

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              • #8
                The less you can put through the PA the better. An unknown house PA with an unknown soundman with 12 min changeover? I'd take as much out of their hands as possible.



                But you need to get a bit more info. How much individual stage gear are they allowing? Is every band sharing a drum set and guitar amps? Or do you get to bring your own backline?
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                • #9
                  The less you can put through the PA the better. An unknown house PA with an unknown soundman with 12 min changeover? I'd take as much out of their hands as possible.



                  But you need to get a bit more info. How much individual stage gear are they allowing? Is every band sharing a drum set and guitar amps? Or do you get to bring your own backline?
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                  http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
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                  • #10
                    Did you all check out the speakers in the photo? They look like they're set up to handle the whole band, and reviews written up on the venue suggest they're used that way.



                    I'll try to call them again . . . .

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                    • #11
                      Did you all check out the speakers in the photo? They look like they're set up to handle the whole band, and reviews written up on the venue suggest they're used that way.



                      I'll try to call them again . . . .

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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                        Did you all check out the speakers in the photo? They look like they're set up to handle the whole band, and reviews written up on the venue suggest they're used that way.



                        I'll try to call them again . . . .




                        Looks like a pretty serious setup. Odds are pretty good that they are going to call the shots and you won't really have too many options on how you can set up or are miced. Personally, I wouldn't want to run my keys DI and rely on the monitors to hear myself for 1/2 hour set with a 12 min setup. But they SHOULD let you bring your own amp or provide one for you. But they'll almost certainly have a DI set up so you can be heard through the PA.
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                        band websites:
                        http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                        https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                        https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                        http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                        • #13






                          Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                          Did you all check out the speakers in the photo? They look like they're set up to handle the whole band, and reviews written up on the venue suggest they're used that way.



                          I'll try to call them again . . . .




                          Looks like a pretty serious setup. Odds are pretty good that they are going to call the shots and you won't really have too many options on how you can set up or are miced. Personally, I wouldn't want to run my keys DI and rely on the monitors to hear myself for 1/2 hour set with a 12 min setup. But they SHOULD let you bring your own amp or provide one for you. But they'll almost certainly have a DI set up so you can be heard through the PA.
                          _________________________________________________
                          band websites:
                          http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                          https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                          https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                          http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                          • #14
                            Just talked to an employee. I may try to talk to the sound man this evening . . .



                            We have 15 minutes to set up. They provide mics, stands and eight monitors, but not drums or amps.



                            We're all expected to arrive early because the performance order won't be determined until just before start time.



                            Sharing drums is fairly common in these cases, isn't it?

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                            • #15
                              Just talked to an employee. I may try to talk to the sound man this evening . . .



                              We have 15 minutes to set up. They provide mics, stands and eight monitors, but not drums or amps.



                              We're all expected to arrive early because the performance order won't be determined until just before start time.



                              Sharing drums is fairly common in these cases, isn't it?

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