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  • Quote Originally Posted by MartinC
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    Sounds great!




    I really appreciate your support. It helps me to put all this stuff in perspective because I could go through this performance measure by measure and pick out vocal, instrumental, and presentation things that could be better, but someone of your caliber listened to it, doubtless heard most of the same glitches I did, and still said is essence, "that stuff is "de minimis" - minor details insufficient to compromise the overall performance.

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    • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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      Probably because A) his question was how best to spend $1000 that would help improve the value of his band.

      B) he mentioned subs himself first.

      C) there was no discernable low-end in the video clip.



      So, pretty obviously the answer would be "yeah, you could use some subs." There's really not too many other ways to compensate for the obvious lack of low end which is pretty much prerequisite for a band playing that style of music.



      And yes. Practice, man practice. Which doesn't cost anything but time.



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      But read the name of the thread. I am aware of what he wrote in his OP, but I think it was premature.
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      • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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        But read the name of the thread. I am aware of what he wrote in his OP, but I think it was premature.




        Yes, I know you do. And we'll just have to agree to disagree once again. Because I not only think that a band with money to spend is not only fully capable of doing two things at once (especially if one of them doesn't involve spending money) but SHOULD do so. If you think a U47 would help your mixes, and you can afford a U47, there's no reason why you can't buy one AND learn good mic placement all on the same day. In fact, you MIGHT even be more inspired to take the time learn about better mic placement now that you have such a new, fun toy to play with. Tools can be inspiring.



        If you polled a number of successful musicians about how they came up in the business, I'd be willing to bet that most would tell you they worked on all sorts of things simultaenously. That they learned as they went. They bought new gear when they could afford it AND practiced. They took lessons AND gigged. Not that they waited until THIS was up to such-and-such a level before they started working on THAT. I don't think that's particularly good or sound advice. That's the point I was trying to make with the early Clash clip. They didn't wait until they got tight to start gigging and building a name for themselves. They did it all at once. Probably invested whatever money they had into the band as well, depending on what they needed and what they considered would give them the most value.



        Unless your advice was a backhanded way of saying "you guys suck so bad that you shouldn't bother wasting your money because you'll never be good enough to actually NEED subs. Go buy your kid a new pair of shoes instead." But I don't think that's what you were doing.
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        • On the off-chance that the OP is still following this:



          After watching your videos, I think that the one thing that needs attention first and most is doing something interesting on stage. Yes, you would sound better if you upgraded your PA, and everybody can get better musically, but I think performance is the thing you most significantly need to address.



          Since you asked about where to put some money to improve the value of your band, I think you could do a lot worse than investing in this DVD set:



          http://www.onstagesuccess.com/merch-...ll-roads-dvds/



          He also has a book, which is a lot cheaper, but I think there is no substitute for seeing and hearing some of this stuff. You could perhaps get the book,



          http://www.onstagesuccess.com/merch-...c-method-book/



          and these DVDs, which have some band makeovers:



          http://www.onstagesuccess.com/merch-...sic-makeovers/



          Even the most expensive option there will probably leave you enough in your budget to also get a sub. But while subs are a big deal, it's important to always think in terms of the whole PA, of which a sub is just a part. What I'd recommend in that regard is to go over to the Live Sound forum, and post what you're currently using, and ask those guys (and there is a lot of knowledge over there) for suggestions for incremental upgrades. Sooner or later, that will include subs, buy maybe that would not be the best bang-for-buck PA-related investment for you right now. Also, over there, you will get good PA advice, without tangential philosophical discussions about whether you should be rehearsing more.
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          • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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            As a real estate appraiser, I get asked all the time what's the best way to invest some money into a home to increase the value. Now it may very well be that they could accomplish much simply by doing things that don't really cost much money like making sure their lawn looks nice. And I might give them that advice. But it's not the same thing as answering the "investment" question. Which probably involves remodeling the kitchen.



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            But a great curb appeal goes a long way. And all the freebie clean ups go a long way. And sometimes the question they are asking is not really the questions they should be asking. And it takes jerks like me sometimes to point that out. It may not be the fun answer, but it might be the more profitable one, depending. I'm not trying to tell you your game, that's yours and I don't know that world but just a little. But sometimes the answer is a little less obvious.



            If, during a mix, the guitarist says, "My guitar needs to be brighter". Well, that may not be really what he is saying. He might be saying, "I'd like to hear my guitar a little clearer". My experience would tell me that brightening the guitar will make it shrill and bring the mix out of balance. So... I take a little time and really look at the issue. Not just hearing his words based on less experience that mine, but I try to understand the real intent. And then I might roll some mud out of some of the other bed instruments and he smiles and says, "Yeah! That's brighter! That's what I mean!"



            So, there are a lot of guys here doing well in the clubs. And that road has entailed getting a kick ass PA. Yeah, of course. But maybe jumping on that "fix" is not really what the issue in question, the OP's issue, requires right now. For me, I see a really solid band ready to have it all start falling into place. I'd hate for that group to be distracted right now... by learning to set up subs and use them correctly. But like I said, that's me. And my old man status has taught me to try and look for the very real obstacles. Not the ones I think I have at first glance. But the ones I'll be able to reap the rewards of overcoming for a very long time, by tackling them now. I am an old guy
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            • And by the way, they need subs.
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              • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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                But a great curb appeal goes a long way. And all the freebie clean ups go a long way. And sometimes the question they are asking is not really the questions they should be asking. And it takes jerks like me sometimes to point that out. It may not be the fun answer, but it might be the more profitable one, depending. I'm not trying to tell you your game, that's yours and I don't know that world but just a little. But sometimes the answer is a little less obvious.




                True. But in this case, while the 'freebie' stuff was good advice, the other stuff is also an obvious need. A band playing rock covers wants to compete in the club circuit with higher paid bands? Yeah, if you don't have any low end in your mix, you're probably ****************ed. I'm not going to tell somebody to remodel a kitchen when it already looks great. Because there would be no 'value added' to the money spent. But if the kitchen still has Harvest Gold appliances? Yeah, pay somebody to upgrade that sucker WHILE you're out mowing the lawn.



                Again, I have NO problem with your advice. Just that you take such a harsh stance about prioritization when there's no real need to approach it that way.








                So, there are a lot of guys here doing well in the clubs. And that road has entailed getting a kick ass PA. Yeah, of course. But maybe jumping on that "fix" is not really what the issue in question, the OP's issue, requires right now. For me, I see a really solid band ready to have it all start falling into place. I'd hate for that group to be distracted right now... by learning to set up subs and use them correctly. But like I said, that's me. And my old man status has taught me to try and look for the very real obstacles. Not the ones I think I have at first glance. But the ones I'll be able to reap the rewards of overcoming for a very long time, by tackling them now. I am an old guy



                As one old guy to another, I like to get the easy stuff out of the way first. If the band needs to practice, then we need to practice. Come back in a year and we'll hopefully be tighter. But there's no low-end in our not-so-tight mix and I've got $1000 sitting in the band coffers? Well, there's really no excuse for that.
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                • I can't help thinking that this thread is just so strange to me. Most bands up here rent PA/Lights. And we have some of the best sound guys here for $300 or less-usually less. I think we had this topic before and people told me I was nuts. It's true though. There aren't too many shows that you'd have as a band where you'd have to spend anymore than that. I was talking to the engineer in the studio the other day and he was telling me he has two rigs- the "A" rig for $300 and two guys and the "B" rig for $150 with one guy.
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                  • Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                    I can't help thinking that this thread is just so strange to me. Most bands up here rent PA/Lights. And we have some of the best sound guys here for $300 or less-usually less. I think we had this topic before and people told me I was nuts. It's true though. There aren't too many shows that you'd have as a band where you'd have to spend anymore than that. I was talking to the engineer in the studio the other day and he was telling me he has two rigs- the "A" rig for $300 and two guys and the "B" rig for $150 with one guy.




                    FWIW, this is the direction we're going, at least for bigger gigs.

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                    • (Swore I wasn't going to post in this thread again...although it's amusing and helpful to see the different people going back and forth. Although it hasn't necessary been comfortable, I may even post video from our next gig for y'all to see that I am reading and listening... (provided sound, big stage))



                      If I could get sound for anywhere near that price here, our PA would stay in our practice area.









                      Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                      I can't help thinking that this thread is just so strange to me. Most bands up here rent PA/Lights. And we have some of the best sound guys here for $300 or less-usually less. I think we had this topic before and people told me I was nuts. It's true though. There aren't too many shows that you'd have as a band where you'd have to spend anymore than that. I was talking to the engineer in the studio the other day and he was telling me he has two rigs- the "A" rig for $300 and two guys and the "B" rig for $150 with one guy.




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                      • Quote Originally Posted by roamingbard13
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                        (Swore I wasn't going to post in this thread again...although it's amusing and helpful to see the different people going back and forth. Although it hasn't necessary been comfortable, I may even post video from our next gig for y'all to see that I am reading and listening... (provided sound, big stage))



                        If I could get sound for anywhere near that price here, our PA would stay in our practice area.




                        Ditto.

                        $300 will get you:

                        An engineer to cart, set-up and run the gear for the evening, and a mediocre to maybe moderately decent size/power PA, best suitable for smaller rooms, plus maybe a couple wedges, all on one mix. Lights are extra.

                        $150 will get you a pair of speakers on sticks and a 6 channel powered head, sans engineer, and likely sans delivery.
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                        • Quote Originally Posted by kmart
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                          Ditto.

                          $300 will get you:

                          An engineer to cart, set-up and run the gear for the evening, and a mediocre to maybe moderately decent size/power PA, best suitable for smaller rooms, plus maybe a couple wedges, all on one mix. Lights are extra.

                          $150 will get you a pair of speakers on sticks and a 6 channel powered head, sans engineer, and likely sans delivery.




                          That sucks...Where you at?
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                          • Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                            That sucks...Where you at?




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                            • Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                              I can't help thinking that this thread is just so strange to me. Most bands up here rent PA/Lights. And we have some of the best sound guys here for $300 or less-usually less. I think we had this topic before and people told me I was nuts. It's true though. There aren't too many shows that you'd have as a band where you'd have to spend anymore than that. I was talking to the engineer in the studio the other day and he was telling me he has two rigs- the "A" rig for $300 and two guys and the "B" rig for $150 with one guy.




                              Just curious as too what size and quality of PA. I would think that more urban areas would be inclined to have house sound. If for no other reason than parking availability for loading in gear. Out in the sticks where I live most bands own a PA or hire a sound guy with gear. That being said alot of the good bands around here have way better PA gear on average than what I see here on the forum.

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                              • And of course that all raises some very good points. For me and my ilk, there has always been a few guys running very good sound for pretty respectable prices. But, I am reminded, that things are different in different parts of this country and the world. If it is mandatory that to have a good PA system for a decent price you must buy your own, then so be it. But, I would still suspect, that through the network there are guys that will provide for a decent price. As always, I may be very, very wrong.



                                Be that as it may, we usually had our own PA too. And what a pain in the ass that is and was. Which is why in retrospect I love the idea of hiring it out and concentrating on the nuts and bolts of being a great performing band. The eras that I did that it was wonderful.
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