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  • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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    Exactly.



    While in France a few weeks back, I suggested to my daughter that she use this great time in Paris to do a school project in Photography. I bought her a 1000 dollar Nikon. I nice SLR. Because she'd really worked at gotten good at this. So... some setting gets haywire on the Nikon. I can't seem to reboot it to get it to work.



    "Dad, can I borrow your iPhone?"



    She did the project on my iPhone and (dare I brag on her) the composition and eye for interesting detail is phenomenal. She doesn't need subs... I mean the Nikon. If I'd bought her the Nikon a year before, I doubt she be as good as she is now. I honestly believe having gear that good too soon is a distraction.



    I played on a cheap ass crown acoustic and a $19 dollar Japanese no name electric before I moved up to a SG copy. And yes, when I played clubs at age 19, we did have a full scale PA, but we were GOOD. We already had a seasoned show and good chops.



    Concentrate on the important stuff first.




    Unless the better gear can somehow make a musician or a photographer WORSE, I can't possibly see the value in suggesting they don't get it or that they do something else "first". It isn't either/or. You can buy subs AND still practice a lot. Either you have an eye for photography or you don't.
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    • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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      but subs really shouldn't make you simply louder, if you are doing things correctly.




      Weekend bands doing somthing incorrect ,, imagine that. You see it all the time from very experienced bands. Too lound is the number one complaint with bands, after you get past the you guys suck complaint.
      "you mess with him and you mess with the whole trailer park"

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      • Quote Originally Posted by tlbonehead
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        but subs really shouldn't make you simply louder, if you are doing things correctly.




        Weekend bands doing somthing incorrect ,, imagine that. You see it all the time from very experienced bands. Too lound is the number one complaint with bands, after you get past the you guys suck complaint.
        "you mess with him and you mess with the whole trailer park"

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        • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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          Unless the better gear can somehow make a musician or a photographer WORSE...




          Well, that's exactly what I'm saying, isn't it? That it CAN make them worse. Or rather, improve a lot slower.
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          • Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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            Unless the better gear can somehow make a musician or a photographer WORSE...




            Well, that's exactly what I'm saying, isn't it? That it CAN make them worse. Or rather, improve a lot slower.
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            • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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              Well, that's exactly what I'm saying, isn't it? That it CAN make them worse. Or rather, improve a lot slower.




              Well, that's just dumb. Sorry. "If only I hadn't bought and used all this nice gear, I'd probably be a better player today...." Huh? It makes no sense. Guys who have the talent and work ethic to be good will be good regardless of the gear they're playing on. A band that sucks isn't going to suck worse if they play through a better PA. How on earth is a set of subs going to make a band improve slower?



              Look, I get that some people either get amused when they see lousy bands playing through nice gear, or laugh when that lousy photographer who has much nicer equipment than you, but so what? It might make them look more silly, but it doesn't make them worse.



              If somebody is so dumb or lazy or untalented that they think getting a nice PA is an excuse to not practice, then NOT getting that PA isn't going to help them either. They'll still be dumb and lazy and untalented.
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              • Quote Originally Posted by Lee Knight
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                Well, that's exactly what I'm saying, isn't it? That it CAN make them worse. Or rather, improve a lot slower.




                Well, that's just dumb. Sorry. "If only I hadn't bought and used all this nice gear, I'd probably be a better player today...." Huh? It makes no sense. Guys who have the talent and work ethic to be good will be good regardless of the gear they're playing on. A band that sucks isn't going to suck worse if they play through a better PA. How on earth is a set of subs going to make a band improve slower?



                Look, I get that some people either get amused when they see lousy bands playing through nice gear, or laugh when that lousy photographer who has much nicer equipment than you, but so what? It might make them look more silly, but it doesn't make them worse.



                If somebody is so dumb or lazy or untalented that they think getting a nice PA is an excuse to not practice, then NOT getting that PA isn't going to help them either. They'll still be dumb and lazy and untalented.
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                http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                • If "nice" refers to quality of sound, then that's a good thing, but if it means having a more complicated setup, that can distract you and even cause things to grind to a halt sometimes, as happened with my trio. That can be true with cameras if you're just starting out, but I assure you, a good viewfinder, high ISO capability, and the ability to adjust aperture, shutter speed, and exposure WILL produce a lot more keepers than if you're pointing and shooting with an iphone.

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                  • If "nice" refers to quality of sound, then that's a good thing, but if it means having a more complicated setup, that can distract you and even cause things to grind to a halt sometimes, as happened with my trio. That can be true with cameras if you're just starting out, but I assure you, a good viewfinder, high ISO capability, and the ability to adjust aperture, shutter speed, and exposure WILL produce a lot more keepers than if you're pointing and shooting with an iphone.

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                    • Subs don't really complicate a set up much and have nothing to do with rehearsal since most bands are only going to use them at gigs. They might slow down the setup time at a gig a bit--but depending on your setup, even that's not necessarily true.



                      My wife has a great eye for photography and can take a much better picture with an iPhone or an instamatic than I ever could with the most advanced camera. And cameras are a bit different I suppose because there's the learning-how-to-use the damned thing process first that isn't necessarily true with musical equipment. But I don't think anyone ever DIDN'T become a concert pianist because they started out learning to play on a Steinway grand rather than a cheap upright.



                      I'm reminded of visiting a friend of mine recently who's a really good drummer and a bit of gear-hound. Has a bunch of really nice, expensive kits. He's telling me he wants to learn to play guitar and has started taking some lessons and proceeds to pull out a top-of-the-line Taylor and Fender Strat. I laugh to myself a bit thinking these guitars are so much nicer than the junk I gig with regularly. And I comment "wow, these are some REALLY nice guitars! Especially for just starting out!" He says "do you think I should have gotten something else? My teacher told me that it's beter to start out with good gear, so I got these..." "No," I said "I'm sure these will be just fine. But yeah...REALLY nice, dude!"



                      Bottom line---he's as dedicated to learning to play as he's gonna be. That's what's in his heart, not in his gear. Will those nice guitars make him MORE inspired to practice harder? Maybe. Maybe not. But I certainly don't see how they could SLOW DOWN his progress. Plus, he's got a lot of money to spend and likes nice stuff. So why not?
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                      http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                      https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                      https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                      http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                      • Subs don't really complicate a set up much and have nothing to do with rehearsal since most bands are only going to use them at gigs. They might slow down the setup time at a gig a bit--but depending on your setup, even that's not necessarily true.



                        My wife has a great eye for photography and can take a much better picture with an iPhone or an instamatic than I ever could with the most advanced camera. And cameras are a bit different I suppose because there's the learning-how-to-use the damned thing process first that isn't necessarily true with musical equipment. But I don't think anyone ever DIDN'T become a concert pianist because they started out learning to play on a Steinway grand rather than a cheap upright.



                        I'm reminded of visiting a friend of mine recently who's a really good drummer and a bit of gear-hound. Has a bunch of really nice, expensive kits. He's telling me he wants to learn to play guitar and has started taking some lessons and proceeds to pull out a top-of-the-line Taylor and Fender Strat. I laugh to myself a bit thinking these guitars are so much nicer than the junk I gig with regularly. And I comment "wow, these are some REALLY nice guitars! Especially for just starting out!" He says "do you think I should have gotten something else? My teacher told me that it's beter to start out with good gear, so I got these..." "No," I said "I'm sure these will be just fine. But yeah...REALLY nice, dude!"



                        Bottom line---he's as dedicated to learning to play as he's gonna be. That's what's in his heart, not in his gear. Will those nice guitars make him MORE inspired to practice harder? Maybe. Maybe not. But I certainly don't see how they could SLOW DOWN his progress. Plus, he's got a lot of money to spend and likes nice stuff. So why not?
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                        band websites:
                        http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                        https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                        https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                        http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                        • I agree about the positive reenforcement from a good piano as opposed to an old Trasch & Junkett upright. . . . . but I'm obviously biased because I'd rather service a nice instrument.



                          The issue my guitar player had was trying to do multi-track recordings of rehearsals. . . . .

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                          • I agree about the positive reenforcement from a good piano as opposed to an old Trasch & Junkett upright. . . . . but I'm obviously biased because I'd rather service a nice instrument.



                            The issue my guitar player had was trying to do multi-track recordings of rehearsals. . . . .

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                            • Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                              The issue my guitar player had was trying to do multi-track recordings of rehearsals. . . . .




                              Well, there are also going to be "those" guys, for sure. We've all played with them. Someone who's the type to let the gear-obsession get in the way of their playing/performance is gonna be that type of person regardless of whether you recommend they buy certain gear or not.



                              But as a general rule, I just don't see how it can be a distraction. ESPECIALLY when talking about something as impersonal as subs on the PA. "Dude---let's not practice this week...we'll just crank up the subs at the next gig an extra notch and call it good! We don't need to be tight, we just need to RUMBLE! Fire up another doob!"



                              I GUESS there might be those types of bands out there....but again, that band isn't gonna practice regardless. They'd just find some other excuse to get stoned instead.
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                              https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
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                              • Quote Originally Posted by SeniorBlues
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                                The issue my guitar player had was trying to do multi-track recordings of rehearsals. . . . .




                                Well, there are also going to be "those" guys, for sure. We've all played with them. Someone who's the type to let the gear-obsession get in the way of their playing/performance is gonna be that type of person regardless of whether you recommend they buy certain gear or not.



                                But as a general rule, I just don't see how it can be a distraction. ESPECIALLY when talking about something as impersonal as subs on the PA. "Dude---let's not practice this week...we'll just crank up the subs at the next gig an extra notch and call it good! We don't need to be tight, we just need to RUMBLE! Fire up another doob!"



                                I GUESS there might be those types of bands out there....but again, that band isn't gonna practice regardless. They'd just find some other excuse to get stoned instead.
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                                band websites:
                                http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                                https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                                https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                                http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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