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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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    Apparently I'm in the minority with my opinion but that's ok.



    We have a band around here that is "similar" to you guys and they had the same issue for awhile until they started doing both acoustic and electric shows.




    Actually, I think you're saying the same thing that everyone else is: that the reality is that the best way for them to move forward might be to change the type of band they are.








    I don't think that club owners care about perception--



    Why did this band start doing both acoustic and electric shows unless it was to change the perception people had of them?
    _________________________________________________
    band websites:
    http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
    https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
    https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
    http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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    • #17






      Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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      Apparently I'm in the minority with my opinion but that's ok.



      We have a band around here that is "similar" to you guys and they had the same issue for awhile until they started doing both acoustic and electric shows.




      Actually, I think you're saying the same thing that everyone else is: that the reality is that the best way for them to move forward might be to change the type of band they are.








      I don't think that club owners care about perception--



      Why did this band start doing both acoustic and electric shows unless it was to change the perception people had of them?
      _________________________________________________
      band websites:
      http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
      https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
      https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
      http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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      • #18
        You know what you need that would totally change the perception of you being a too small of a band for certain venues?



        A chick DJ fattening your sound. It would add visual and aural interest. And it would retain your clever twist on the band formula.
        Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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        • #19
          You know what you need that would totally change the perception of you being a too small of a band for certain venues?



          A chick DJ fattening your sound. It would add visual and aural interest. And it would retain your clever twist on the band formula.
          Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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            Apparently I'm in the minority with my opinion but that's ok.



            We have a band around here that is "similar" to you guys and they had the same issue for awhile until they started doing both acoustic and electric shows. They doubled their popularity (maybe not doubled but you know what I mean). I'm not saying that's what you should do but they were great either way and people started to realize that. I don't think that club owners care about perception-- they care about asses in the seats and booze sales. At least that's the way it is here.



            Put it this way...I have never heard ANYONE say, "They packed the place and we sold a ton of booze but I'm not sure we'll have them back because they're band is too small."






            Well again... the only thing that will break that perception is draw. About 15 years ago the red hot band in my area was a trio. Two dynamic singers guitarists and a drummer. Of course the material at the time was post grunge and 90's alternative... easy pickings for any band heavy on vocals and less on theatrics. They had a wicked following and really laid the ground work for us to be able to use 'draw' to negotiate pay with club owners. 15 years ago bars and audiences would have balked at a band my size (we're up to 9 members including crew). These days we're large by design... I've never believed bigger is better.... but sometimes it can be perceived as 'bolder'.



            In every case draw is the determing factor. Small band, big draw= bigger opportunities and pay. Big band+ small draw= death.
            so over this signature BS!!!

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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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              Apparently I'm in the minority with my opinion but that's ok.



              We have a band around here that is "similar" to you guys and they had the same issue for awhile until they started doing both acoustic and electric shows. They doubled their popularity (maybe not doubled but you know what I mean). I'm not saying that's what you should do but they were great either way and people started to realize that. I don't think that club owners care about perception-- they care about asses in the seats and booze sales. At least that's the way it is here.



              Put it this way...I have never heard ANYONE say, "They packed the place and we sold a ton of booze but I'm not sure we'll have them back because they're band is too small."






              Well again... the only thing that will break that perception is draw. About 15 years ago the red hot band in my area was a trio. Two dynamic singers guitarists and a drummer. Of course the material at the time was post grunge and 90's alternative... easy pickings for any band heavy on vocals and less on theatrics. They had a wicked following and really laid the ground work for us to be able to use 'draw' to negotiate pay with club owners. 15 years ago bars and audiences would have balked at a band my size (we're up to 9 members including crew). These days we're large by design... I've never believed bigger is better.... but sometimes it can be perceived as 'bolder'.



              In every case draw is the determing factor. Small band, big draw= bigger opportunities and pay. Big band+ small draw= death.
              so over this signature BS!!!

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              • #22






                Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                Actually, I think you're saying the same thing that everyone else is: that the reality is that the best way for them to move forward might be to change the type of band they are.




                Is that really what everyone is saying? Having watched the videos and followed OH progress via Jeff's postings - it seems to me that OH has a pretty good understanding of who and what they are. If I'm correct in my understanding - they're making steady progress as the band that they are. They simply run into one venue / decision maker who feels they're not right for a particular venue.



                There's no denying that being rejected sucks and virtually always gives one reason to pause and assess their situation. However, it's not automatically grounds to change who you are and/or what you're trying to become.
                The SpaceNorman

                www.facebook.com/SuperstarsOfRock
                www.souldoutrocks.com

                Keyboards and Tone Generators: Yamaha CP300, Kronos 88, Roland AX Synth, Motif ES Rack
                Keyboard Rack: Samson SM10 Line Mixer, Motu MIDIExpressXT MIDI Interface, Shure PSM200 IEM system, M-Audio Wireless MIDI, Live Wires IEM ear buds, iPad wOnSong.
                Stage Amplification: Stereo via 2 Yamaha DSR112s

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                • #23






                  Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                  Actually, I think you're saying the same thing that everyone else is: that the reality is that the best way for them to move forward might be to change the type of band they are.




                  Is that really what everyone is saying? Having watched the videos and followed OH progress via Jeff's postings - it seems to me that OH has a pretty good understanding of who and what they are. If I'm correct in my understanding - they're making steady progress as the band that they are. They simply run into one venue / decision maker who feels they're not right for a particular venue.



                  There's no denying that being rejected sucks and virtually always gives one reason to pause and assess their situation. However, it's not automatically grounds to change who you are and/or what you're trying to become.
                  The SpaceNorman

                  www.facebook.com/SuperstarsOfRock
                  www.souldoutrocks.com

                  Keyboards and Tone Generators: Yamaha CP300, Kronos 88, Roland AX Synth, Motif ES Rack
                  Keyboard Rack: Samson SM10 Line Mixer, Motu MIDIExpressXT MIDI Interface, Shure PSM200 IEM system, M-Audio Wireless MIDI, Live Wires IEM ear buds, iPad wOnSong.
                  Stage Amplification: Stereo via 2 Yamaha DSR112s

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                  • #24






                    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceNorman
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                    Is that really what everyone is saying?




                    Maybe not. My reading was that most/all of the suggestions were either to change up the format of the band or to downsize their expectations. But I might have missed something.



                    The reality though is that it really IS all about "draw". Either they already have the draw to compete with the 'big' bands---in which case then it's more about a matter of simply finding a bigger venue willing to give them a shot and then proving they CAN draw, or it's about reassessing what they might need to do in order to be able to have that sort of draw.



                    It might be something as simple as another few months on the same circuit and building their following further before trying to move ahead.
                    _________________________________________________
                    band websites:
                    http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                    https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                    https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                    http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

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                    • #25






                      Quote Originally Posted by SpaceNorman
                      View Post

                      Is that really what everyone is saying?




                      Maybe not. My reading was that most/all of the suggestions were either to change up the format of the band or to downsize their expectations. But I might have missed something.



                      The reality though is that it really IS all about "draw". Either they already have the draw to compete with the 'big' bands---in which case then it's more about a matter of simply finding a bigger venue willing to give them a shot and then proving they CAN draw, or it's about reassessing what they might need to do in order to be able to have that sort of draw.



                      It might be something as simple as another few months on the same circuit and building their following further before trying to move ahead.
                      _________________________________________________
                      band websites:
                      http://www.JumpStartYourParty.com
                      https://www.gigmasters.com/Rock/Jump-Start
                      https://www.facebook.com/JumpStartYourParty
                      http://www.weddingwire.com/biz/jumps...587fe5f12.html

                      Comment


                      • #26






                        Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                        Why did this band start doing both acoustic and electric shows unless it was to change the perception people had of them?




                        Boredom and fun.



                        Just wondering. Do you ever do anything with your band for that reason instead of looking at things from a business perspective?
                        <div class="signaturecontainer"><a href="http://www.justdarrell.com" target="_blank">Just Darrell Web Site</a></div>

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                        • #27






                          Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                          Why did this band start doing both acoustic and electric shows unless it was to change the perception people had of them?




                          Boredom and fun.



                          Just wondering. Do you ever do anything with your band for that reason instead of looking at things from a business perspective?
                          <div class="signaturecontainer"><a href="http://www.justdarrell.com" target="_blank">Just Darrell Web Site</a></div>

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                          • #28






                            Quote Originally Posted by SpaceNorman
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                            There's no denying that being rejected sucks and virtually always gives one reason to pause and assess their situation. However, it's not automatically grounds to change who you are and/or what you're trying to become.




                            Great point!
                            <div class="signaturecontainer"><a href="http://www.justdarrell.com" target="_blank">Just Darrell Web Site</a></div>

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                            • #29






                              Quote Originally Posted by SpaceNorman
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                              There's no denying that being rejected sucks and virtually always gives one reason to pause and assess their situation. However, it's not automatically grounds to change who you are and/or what you're trying to become.




                              Great point!
                              <div class="signaturecontainer"><a href="http://www.justdarrell.com" target="_blank">Just Darrell Web Site</a></div>

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                              • #30






                                Quote Originally Posted by Potts
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                                Boredom and fun.



                                Just wondering. Do you ever do anything with your band for that reason instead of looking at things from a business perspective?




                                No... but maybe that's because the business enables us to have fun.
                                so over this signature BS!!!

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