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  • #91






    Quote Originally Posted by stevesherbert
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    i agree that the band might not be the best fit for me. what i'm trying to determine is whether my perspective on how to create strong vocals in a band makes sense or not, and whether or not i should try to sell my band on a group approach to vocals. i'd like to at least attempt to communicate my idea before walking away.




    Your approach is doable and valid but your original premise that singers are not musicians just isn't correct. Some are, some aren't. Just like some guitar players are hacks and some drummers play to loud, see what I am getting at?



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    • #92
      ...and the reason i am asking on BSWTB is twofold:



      1) the guys and girls on here can give me their honest opinions outside the political sphere of a band relationship, and

      2) my data set (the few bands i've been in over the years) is insufficient for me to make a truly informed opinion about the subject.

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      • #93
        Personally, if I had an original project, I wouldn't want a bunch of people singing. You want the band to be identifyable, and having 4 different lead singers makes that more difficult. Nothing wrong with everyone singing to make some good vocal harmonies, but I'd want a single singer so that when you hear 10 seconds of a song somewhere, you recognize who it is.
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        • #94






          Quote Originally Posted by rodclement
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          Your approach is doable and valid but your original premise that singers are not musicians just isn't correct. Some are, some aren't.




          i never said that singers aren't musicians. i only said that a person who sings (or works in any field) for years but never bothers to learn the basics of their craft seems to either lack something important (ambition, work ethic, self-improvement?) or possess something in abundance (arrogance, laziness, perhaps immense natural talent?). i do think that it's fair to say that someone who sings AND plays an instrument is probably a better musician that someone who doesn't, in the same way that someone who speaks english AND french is likely a better linguist that someone who only speaks english.



          having said that, there are plenty of awesome lead singers who only sing, but of course those awesome singers would be even awesom-er if they played an instrument!

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          • #95






            Quote Originally Posted by tim_7string
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            She looks more like a diva whenever one of the musicians sings a song and the band suddenly reduces to a three- or four-piece because she left the stage.



            If I were a potential customer that wanted to see a band based on the attractiveness of the frontwoman, I'd certainly want to see her onstage all the time, whether she was singing lead on every song or not.




            I think it is in how it is presented. Remember, she could be perceived as a stage hog diva if she didn't sing, but stood up there with a tambourine or something. Some folks get tired of hearing the SAME vocal all night. Exceptionalism is of course the exception.



            Even in a feature situation. When the singer leaves the stage, it forces the focus on the other musicians which if done correctly, can SET UP the feature. Huey Lewis left the stage during instrumental parts; PINK leaves the stage and gives a spot to the band. The list goes on. It gives the audience a break.



            Now, if it is laziness, that's another story.
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            • #96
              There's no "one size fits all" answer here. At some point it becomes necessary to put it all into the context of who your band is, where you are and where you want to go. If you're playing the type of gigs you want and getting the audience response you want, then there's no need to add a singer. Especially if there is already a good chemistry within the band that adding another member might disrupt. But if the band has hit a wall and adding a singer would help you be able to take things to the next level, then doing so is probably essential.



              It seems that maybe your band is at a crossroads and you don't all want to move in the same direction?



              My band was at a similar point a couple of years ago. We had been a 5-piece with 4 lead singers for years. We had some diverse voices and good harmonies and we got a LOT of compliments on the variety of having 4 lead singers. But it wasn't enough to take the band where we wanted to go. People liked the 4-lead singer sound, but it wasn't really a marketable selling point. We needed a true front person. Not all of us wanted to go there. Most specifically the guy who was doing the bulk of the singing, but was also the least dymanic presence. He was the best singer of the group, but had the least abilities when it came to "fronting" the band. We added a singer/front person and he didn't survive the transistion. Too bad. I miss him being in the band and what he added to the band instrumentally and vocally, but it was no longer the band for him. Such is life.
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              • #97






                Quote Originally Posted by stevesherbert
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                i never said that singers aren't musicians. i only said that a person who sings (or works in any field) for years but never bothers to learn the basics of their craft seems to either lack something important (ambition, work ethic, self-improvement?) or possess something in abundance (arrogance, laziness, perhaps immense natural talent?). i do think that it's fair to say that someone who sings AND plays an instrument is probably a better musician that someone who doesn't, in the same way that someone who speaks english AND french is likely a better linguist that someone who only speaks english.



                having said that, there are plenty of awesome lead singers who only sing, but of course those awesome singers would be even awesom-er if they played an instrument!




                You make the assumption that someone who only sings doesn't really know what they are doing? I know plenty of singers who have solid music theory backgrounds, can read/sight sing, understand harmony and intervals, all of the basics that I put in as a keyboard player. A lot of them dabble on piano and things like that, but might not be good enough or comfortable enough to play that in a band setting. What about someone who only drums? Are they less of a musician because while they understand rhythm, they don't understand harmony?
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                • #98
                  i don't consider someone who knows music theory and has a basic understanding of the keyboard to 'only sing'.



                  and yes, i would say that someone who only plays drums is a lesser musician that someone who is an equally skilled drummer but also plays guitar. would anyone disagree?

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                  • #99






                    Quote Originally Posted by guido61
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                    It seems that maybe your band is at a crossroads and you don't all want to move in the same direction?




                    my point is that there seems to be more than one direction that the band can go. and if we are smart, we should remain open to ALL of those options, not simply the first one that presents itself. i am more than willing to go with a lead singer who 'only sings', but only if that person offers something great to the band.

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                    • i don't consider someone who knows music theory and has a basic understanding of the keyboard to 'only sing'.

                      and yes, i would say that someone who only plays drums is a lesser musician that someone who is an equally skilled drummer but also plays guitar. would anyone disagree?


                      I'm am certain that Rick Allen would disagree with you on that second statement.
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                      • my point is that there seems to be more than one direction that the band can go.


                        What are these different directions? Where are you hoping to take the band?
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                        • Do you use the keytar much? They carry a stigma, and it's too bad because they're actually pretty awesome. I've got my little compact rig with a pivoting stand, which helps immensely.


                          I used to use it exclusively in my 80s band (I had 2 then actually) but I am playing more two-hand stuff now and need to be behind the Axiom sometimes... and even when I dont, for most stages there is really almost nowhere else I can because of space contraints.

                          FWIW, most of the derision you will hear about the keytar will be from elitist musician types. The crowds ****************ing LOVE it.
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                          • I'm am certain that Rick Allen would disagree with you on that second statement.


                            wtf are you talking about? surely IF rick allen could play guitar or sing or play keys (i realize that this is a big if), he would consider himself to be a better musician that he is now.

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                            • I agree completely. If you are playing party music or power metal, they're amazing. The crowd might not notice how much it opens things up, but they'll chuckle at the cheese factor and you'll put on a better show. It doesn't fit with our presentation, unfortunately. But I would say it does for most bands here.


                              I dunno, works for DragonForce and Sonata Arctica oke: :lol:
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                              • Sonata Arctica is awesome, and a huge guilty pleasure of mine.
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