Members jacksplatz Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 Have any of you had this happen to you?Some of my friends are musicians that I have played with in thepast,but no longer do.Now they were never really competent enough to play in acover band per se....I have been playing in bands for years and always getting good crowds.Some of these musician friends will come to our shows and see all of the people having a great time....and then when I speak to them later they'll talk constantly abouthow they could play this or that part better,or how this player madea mistake at this measure etc.Finally one just came out and said they were jealous.But these are the same people who are for one reason or another,arenever able to take the step from the basement to the stage. And another point here is this...When I played w/some of these guys inan original band, I had a harder time hearing these players defiencies.But as soon as these same guys started to play covers,and I had something to compare them too...well I could tell a huge difference.Ever since the breakup of that original band in 1996,none of the otherplayers besides the drummer has played out,anywhere.Now I see why the original band had troubles. One of these guys is a "coffee shopper "who plays all his "gigs" forfree at open mikes.The other has(lead guitarist)never learned to playrthym,and is therefore useless as a band player. These people are always telling me that they can do this better etc.,when in fact they themselves have never progressed past theoccasional open mike. It seems as that you get older you are more able to tell what is {censored}and what aint. What do you say to these people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FireWithin Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 ...f$*k off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jacksplatz Posted February 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 I've also noticed that they try to get me to "set something up",with them....when I ask why they simply don't just go and auditionfor a band they began the excuse hit parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FireWithin Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 their all talk. people like that might join your band and you'll waste months or maybe years trying to get things lined up and they will walk when things get serious. it's a real problem. you gotta feel out whose serious and who just wants to dream that they "could" be in a band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GreenAsJade Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 Why do you need to say anything to these people? If you don't want to make enemies or create needless offense, just smile and nod. "Mabye", nodding. That's as much as I'd say. GaJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueHeaven Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 I know being a musician who used to play a lot of shows but isn't currently, that when I go see my buddies band, I get jealous and the itch to get back out there, but I would never tell them I could play a part better. . .that's just being an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 When your musician friends start to get bitter? Try some fava beans and a nice chianti - that tends to cut through the bile quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gtrjones Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 I usually encourage them to really get serious and get out and play, knowing that they dont' want to actually DO anything, they just want some version of encouragement/enablement of the fact that they could do something if they wanted to. I've even done a show with people like that - not at a venue that might hurt my reputation, and not by doing much of any actual leg-work myself, but enough involvement to encourage them to 'get back into it'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 These people are always telling me that they can do this better etc., when in fact they themselves have never progressed past the occasional open mike. It seems as that you get older you are more able to tell what is {censored} and what aint. What do you say to these people? "Thanks for coming out, and be sure to tip your bartender" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jacksplatz Posted February 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 awesome wades.I guess that does about explain it,I did try to encourage them to seek projects on there own.Boy, the demo pack for these people must seem like mt .everest.It's too bad really there is some talent there,its's just an xtremly lazywork ethic combined with personal issues(inability to get along w/others etc,) Like the people who show up to band practice ranting on about everything,completely killing the vibe for everyone else.The coffee shop guy showed one day at a practice w/a 20 dollar littlered keyboard and wanted to play it with the band.It was a f-ing toy!He got all insulted when I told him to)actually learn how to play the keyboards2)buy some real ones. I took it as an insult this guy would show up expecting to plug it in and itsounded like well you know,and so..we started calling him the prodigy. One of these guys who says he can play the harmonica,guitar,bass,piano,banjo,triangle,.....just about anything really. The truth is somewhat different however... The other fella,who plays all the same scales over and over as fast as he can,yet cannot play simple structured riffs and fills in time to anything,thinks he's the greatest lead player in the area.One day we were messing around and I hit a pinch harmonic(by accident),he quips,"now you see you can start to add of those little things that willgive you your own sound"....He was in 1 band w/me an original one,and has'nt been able to get a gig since. He always telling me I'm improving....in an extremly condescending way...I've been playing 20 years. Another thing they have in common is they cannot recognize good tone...that is a fatal flaw as wellI always say.... "Thanks man,that means alot coming from you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dessalines Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 This thread isa bout: "I'm so good, I'm so good, I'm good I'm good I'm good" WOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 awesome wades.I guess that does about explain it,I did try to encourage them to seek projects on there own.Boy, the demo pack for these people must seem like mt .everest.It's too bad really there is some talent there,its's just an xtremly lazywork ethic combined with personal issues(inability to get along w/others etc,) I'm kind of dealing with that a little bit in one of my bands. Band #2 is moving though - we've got half of our demo pack ready to go already, and a possible first gig this week. What stands out though is that multiple people are pitching in and committing to things like recording the rehearsals and making the audio demo to organizing setlists to coming up with a business card design and logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jacksplatz Posted February 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 This thread isa bout: "I'm so good,I'm so good,I'm good I'm good I'm good" WOW!!! that's not how I meant to come off.But I have put in the time and money.I find it interesting that when people do neitherand fail,they are still clueless as to why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 that's not how I meant to come off.But I have put in the time and money.I find it interesting that when people do neitherand fail,they are still clueless as to why. I'm feelin ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 This thread isa bout: "I'm so good, I'm so good, I'm good I'm good I'm good" WOW!!! that's not how I meant to come off. But I have put in the time and money. I find it interesting that when people do neither and fail,they are still clueless as to why. I took it as that is what is coming from the basement zombies that are jealous... Either way, these guys sound completely irrelevant. You already know they are bitter, and they admitted they are jealous. So it's up to you, if you have the patience and the energy to be the nice guy than indulge them and help them achieve their "dream", whatever that is. Or if your more like me, who just can't be bothered, than just smile and move on. Doesn't sound like you have much to lose or gain from these bozos anyway...don't get sucked into discussions about what they can or can't play, or who made what mistake. Seriously, who cares? If they can play something better then what is stopping them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kramerguy Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 I honestly haven't run into these types, as far as 'failed musicians' go... Most of the people I know who hung it up long before it got started are pretty damn supportive and positive towards me I do know ones that still do it, but where it never blossomed to the potential (aka "making it") that they expected, and there is some bitterness there, but I've not had to deal with being on the receiving end of that bitterness (except maybe here on HC, but that's a different story lol) It also goes without saying that I'm still chasing that dream myself, so maybe I'm not worthy of being subjected to the bitterness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 Say "Nice to see you. Want to go outside and smoke this doobie with me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StratGuy22 Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 Next time they start bitching to you, give them one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lopp Posted February 3, 2009 Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 These people are always telling me that they can do this better etc.,when in fact they themselves have never progressed past theoccasional open mike.It seems as that you get older you are more able to tell what is {censored}and what aint.What do you say to these people? They obviously have some issues with their own situation, otherwise they wouldn't have to qualify themselves to you. If they were happy, they wouldn't feel the need to insinuate they are better. People like that show their insecurity by trying to put down others to try to make themselves feel better about where they are at. Such insecure people usually receive quick kindness from me, like what vanlatte said, and then I move along. It sounds like you are doing well and are beyond what they will ever achieve musically. Just give them a smile, say, "That's cool." or "Thanks." and move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flip333 Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 Hello Jack, Take the high road. That means telling a new story about the way you want things to be. Find your next best thought about each of these people, and you will be free of the baggage you are creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 I ran into that from former band mates when I quit them and went out on my own.They didn't want to do what it took to get to the next level. After a couple of years I was doing festivals and concerts and getting good reviews on the CDs they didn't want to make. I heard a lot of crap through the grapevine, but that's how it always ends up. The guys you leave behind end up hating you for your success, no matter how limited it might be. Kinda like the entire music business is right now as whole, come to think of it. For some folks, the only way to elevate themselves and justify their decisions is to tear everyone else down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mr3lions Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 Kinda like the entire music business is right now as whole, come to think of it. For some folks, the only way to elevate themselves and justify their decisions is to tear everyone else down. HammerNailHeadthread over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrd126 Posted June 28, 2013 Members Share Posted June 28, 2013 Hello I am the guy Jack calls 'Coffee Shop Guy". I want to say Jack I love you but there are some inaccuracies here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wesg Posted June 28, 2013 Members Share Posted June 28, 2013 I'm going google around and if I can find some four year old threads talking smack about ME..... Its not like I have a life or anything! BTW autocorrect tried to make me say Lolita instead of life.....Steve jobs' ghost is screwing with me?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrd126 Posted June 28, 2013 Members Share Posted June 28, 2013 Funny, I'm going over Jack's house tomorrow to fix his printer. I just found this thread. I knew how he felt but I was never bitter. I am going to have something to say to him tomorrow about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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