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  • When your musician friends start to get bitter

    Have any of you had this happen to you?
    Some of my friends are musicians that I have played with in the
    past,but no longer do.
    Now they were never really competent enough to play in a
    cover band per se....
    I have been playing in bands for years and always getting good crowds.
    Some of these musician friends will come to our shows and see all
    of the people having a great time....
    and then when I speak to them later they'll talk constantly about
    how they could play this or that part better,or how this player made
    a mistake at this measure etc.
    Finally one just came out and said they were jealous.
    But these are the same people who are for one reason or another,are
    never able to take the step from the basement to the stage.

    And another point here is this...When I played w/some of these guys in
    an original band, I had a harder time hearing these players defiencies.
    But as soon as these same guys started to play covers,and I had something to compare them too
    ...well I could tell a huge difference.
    Ever since the breakup of that original band in 1996,none of the other
    players besides the drummer has played out,anywhere.
    Now I see why the original band had troubles.

    One of these guys is a "coffee shopper "who plays all his "gigs" for
    free at open mikes.The other has(lead guitarist)never learned to play
    rthym,and is therefore useless as a band player.

    These people are always telling me that they can do this better etc.,
    when in fact they themselves have never progressed past the
    occasional open mike.

    It seems as that you get older you are more able to tell what is ****************
    and what aint.

    What do you say to these people?

  • #2
    ...f$*k off?
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    • #3
      I've also noticed that they try to get me to "set something up",
      with them....when I ask why they simply don't just go and audition
      for a band they began the excuse hit parade.

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      • #4
        their all talk. people like that might join your band and you'll waste months or maybe years trying to get things lined up and they will walk when things get serious.

        it's a real problem. you gotta feel out whose serious and who just wants to dream that they "could" be in a band.
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        • #5
          Why do you need to say anything to these people?

          If you don't want to make enemies or create needless offense, just smile and nod. "Mabye", nodding. That's as much as I'd say.

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          • #6
            I know being a musician who used to play a lot of shows but isn't currently, that when I go see my buddies band, I get jealous and the itch to get back out there, but I would never tell them I could play a part better. . .that's just being an ****************************.
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            • #7

              When your musician friends start to get bitter?

              Try some fava beans and a nice chianti - that tends to cut through the bile quite well.

              Kickin' it in the sticks...

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              • #8
                I usually encourage them to really get serious and get out and play, knowing that they dont' want to actually DO anything, they just want some version of encouragement/enablement of the fact that they could do something if they wanted to.

                I've even done a show with people like that - not at a venue that might hurt my reputation, and not by doing much of any actual leg-work myself, but enough involvement to encourage them to 'get back into it'...
                <div class="signaturecontainer">&quot;Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' &quot;<br />
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                • #9

                  These people are always telling me that they can do this better etc.,
                  when in fact they themselves have never progressed past the
                  occasional open mike.

                  It seems as that you get older you are more able to tell what is ****************
                  and what aint.

                  What do you say to these people?

                  "Thanks for coming out, and be sure to tip your bartender" :lol:
                  Kickin' it in the sticks...

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                  • #10
                    awesome wades.
                    I guess that does about explain it,I did try to encourage them to
                    seek projects on there own.
                    Boy, the demo pack for these people must seem like mt .everest.
                    It's too bad really there is some talent there,its's just an xtremly lazy
                    work ethic combined with personal issues(inability to get along w/others etc,)

                    Like the people who show up to band practice ranting on about everything,
                    completely killing the vibe for everyone else.
                    The coffee shop guy showed one day at a practice w/a 20 dollar little
                    red keyboard and wanted to play it with the band.
                    It was a f-ing toy!
                    He got all insulted when I told him to)actually learn how to play the keyboards
                    2)buy some real ones.

                    I took it as an insult this guy would show up expecting to plug it in and it
                    sounded like well you know,and so..we started calling him the prodigy.

                    One of these guys who says he can play the harmonica,guitar,bass,piano,banjo,
                    triangle,.....just about anything really.

                    The truth is somewhat different however...

                    The other fella,who plays all the same scales over and over as fast as he can,
                    yet cannot play simple structured riffs and fills in time to anything,
                    thinks he's the greatest lead player in the area.
                    One day we were messing around and I hit a pinch harmonic(by accident),
                    he quips,"now you see you can start to add of those little things that will
                    give you your own sound"....
                    He was in 1 band w/me an original one,and has'nt been able to get a gig since.

                    He always telling me I'm improving....
                    in an extremly condescending way...I've been playing 20 years.

                    Another thing they have in common is they cannot recognize good tone...
                    that is a fatal flaw as well
                    I always say....

                    "Thanks man,that means alot coming from you."

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                    • mrd126
                      mrd126 commented
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                      Hello I am the guy Jack calls 'Coffee Shop Guy".  I want to say Jack I love you but there are some inaccuracies here


                  • #11
                    This thread isa bout:

                    "I'm so good,
                    I'm so good,
                    I'm good I'm good I'm good"

                    WOW!!!
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                    • #12
                      awesome wades.
                      I guess that does about explain it,I did try to encourage them to
                      seek projects on there own.
                      Boy, the demo pack for these people must seem like mt .everest.
                      It's too bad really there is some talent there,its's just an xtremly lazy
                      work ethic combined with personal issues(inability to get along w/others etc,)

                      I'm kind of dealing with that a little bit in one of my bands.

                      Band #2 is moving though - we've got half of our demo pack ready to go already, and a possible first gig this week.

                      What stands out though is that multiple people are pitching in and committing to things like recording the rehearsals and making the audio demo to organizing setlists to coming up with a business card design and logo.
                      Kickin' it in the sticks...

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                      • #13
                        This thread isa bout:

                        "I'm so good,
                        I'm so good,
                        I'm good I'm good I'm good"

                        WOW!!!



                        that's not how I meant to come off.
                        But I have put in the time and money.
                        I find it interesting that when people do neither
                        and fail,they are still clueless as to why.

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                        • #14

                          that's not how I meant to come off.
                          But I have put in the time and money.
                          I find it interesting that when people do neither
                          and fail,they are still clueless as to why.

                          I'm feelin ya.
                          Kickin' it in the sticks...

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                          • #15
                            This thread isa bout:

                            "I'm so good,
                            I'm so good,
                            I'm good I'm good I'm good"

                            WOW!!!



                            that's not how I meant to come off.
                            But I have put in the time and money.
                            I find it interesting that when people do neither
                            and fail,they are still clueless as to why.


                            I took it as that is what is coming from the basement zombies that are jealous...

                            Either way, these guys sound completely irrelevant. You already know they are bitter, and they admitted they are jealous. So it's up to you, if you have the patience and the energy to be the nice guy than indulge them and help them achieve their "dream", whatever that is.

                            Or if your more like me, who just can't be bothered, than just smile and move on. Doesn't sound like you have much to lose or gain from these bozos anyway...don't get sucked into discussions about what they can or can't play, or who made what mistake. Seriously, who cares? If they can play something better then what is stopping them?

                            :thu:
                            <div class="signaturecontainer"><font color="royalblue">Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.</font> <br />
                            <br />
                            <font size="1">The show, no matter how retarded, must go on. This is why musicians drink so much, alcohol helps them cope with facts by enveloping their brains and auditory senses in a haze of thickly applied B.S.<br />
                            </font><br />
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