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  • Same drummer problem....need a solution.

    Some of you might remember but for those who don't.....a while back our original band lost it's drummer so we got a friend, who IS a good drummer, to start playing with us, writing original music. But it hasn't gone well. He's a good drummer for covers but it turns out that he's just not creative enough on the original music....he just follows what we're playing.....AND he pushes the beat, too, which makes the music seem too fast, even when it's not. Three of us have talked and decided to take a break and figure out how to get our old drummer back, hopefully without hurting the feelings of our current drummer who is, like I said, a friend. For me personally all of my creativity was gone, just zapped so, for me, it was a matter of either taking a break or just breaking up, and we think that what we had with the old drummer is/was too good to let go. Anyway, like I said we're on hiatus right now, trying to figure things out, and our bass player jas already talked to our old drummer and he wants back in......he misses it, too. He's super creative and a GREAT drummer, too, and we've got to figure out a way to get back to writing songs with him again, again, hopefully without hurting our friend's feelings. I'm sorry to bring this old story back but I'm kinda really at a loss as for what to do....I'm thinking of quitting instead of hurting his feelings but I don't really want to do that. Any ideas?

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    To be honest if he is a solid cover band drummer ,, odds are its not going to break his heart to get loose from an original band. He will be up and gigging with a working band in no time. Get your old drummer back and move on.
    "you mess with him and you mess with the whole trailer park"

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    • #3
      Yeah, that's the plan, it's just figuring out the right way to do it. There may be no way to get our old drummer back without hurting our current drummer's feelings.

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      • #4
        Just tell him what you just told us. It's the least painful way to go.

        Or you could sleep with his girlfriend. That works, too.
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        • #5
          Yeah... there's nothing you can do but be honest. Although, being honest doesn't mean you have to intentionally hurt his feelings. You don't have to tell him why he isn't working out as much is why the other guy is the right fit. No need to castrate him when you can just leave it as, "I think our old guy's going to work out better for this gig. We love what you do, but there is such a history with our other guy that we're very sorry but we're going to have to let you go. And we do love what you do." So, honesty, with some caring white lies.
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          • #6
            honesty.....from a drummers perspective, he may realize the same things you all do. Not grooving like it should. Many different types of drummers out there...some fit some dont. Many things I would not fit in good as a drummer. Good fit is hard to find. Id also re think the old drummer getting back in.......if he left with drama last time, its probably gonna happen again. Auditions are good to find a good fit......audition many...pick two or three and jam a few times to see how the fit goes....good luck.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by race81 View Post
              ,,,,, Id also re think the old drummer getting back in.......if he left with drama last time, its probably gonna happen again. Auditions are good to find a good fit......audition many...pick two or three and jam a few times to see how the fit goes....good luck.
              No, the only reason we would make a change is to get the old drummer back. There was a chemistry there musically and personally that was unique. He was a really creative drummer, and not just for drum parts, but for arrangements as well. There probably WILL be drama but I think we have figured out that learning how to deal with it is worth it for what he contributes.

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              • #8
                My experience is most drummers are terrible, you see very few good ones. Most of the time it's because they don't have the rudimentary skills or a good sense of time but somewhere along the way someone convinced them they were great. I see it all the time and I have quit bands because of bad drummers. The skill level needed to be good at an entry level to play out even is huge compared to other instruments.
                "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Outkaster View Post
                  My experience is most drummers are terrible, you see very few good ones. Most of the time it's because they don't have the rudimentary skills or a good sense of time but somewhere along the way someone convinced them they were great. I see it all the time and I have quit bands because of bad drummers. The skill level needed to be good at an entry level to play out even is huge compared to other instruments.
                  I am a drummer and I mostly agree although I wouldn't set the levels at most/terrible, few/good. Drummers are an odd lot. They can get by knowing only the metric proportions of their material and unfortunately often do. If they copy well, then cover bands covet them. I think difficulty arises when they are required to make musical contributions. The verts may be at a very sophisticated performance awareness - blends, timbres, articulation of note tails -basic concepts to them but often Greek to the percussion section. A typical example is when the band is required to play unplugged, the drummer will play in the same manner as the loud version only as quietly as possible. But there's no end to this.
                  To be fair, good, expert musicians in the commercial world are the exception and they cost like it too.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 1001gear View Post
                    A typical example is when the band is required to play unplugged, the drummer will play in the same manner as the loud version only as quietly as possible.
                    That is a very, very astute statement right there. Very well done.

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                    • #11
                      You guys are talking about dynamics. I play the instrument myself and I still stand that most of them are not any good.
                      "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello"

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                      • #12
                        You can waste a lot of time clinging to great material if your heart isn't in it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Outkaster View Post
                            You guys are talking about dynamics. I play the instrument myself and I still stand that most of them are not any good.
                            Maybe generally in that one example but even there, unplugged is right off the bat, a whole nuther interpretation, and the drummer's abilities should include developing a part that reflects this.
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                            • #15
                              Yes, a good drummer is hard to find, that's why we want our GREAT drummer back, UPDATE: We've decided to have a meeting, the other four of us without either drummer, to discuss how to proceed. Three of us have discussed this already and we all want to make a change, but we don't know how our keyboard player feels. I hope one of the, or all of us together, can figure out what to do, because I can't.

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