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  • #31
    The instant gratification thing must suck for DJs. It's hard enough as it is as a BAND to try to explain to people that you can't just play every song you might have heard once before. And there are those people who insist on requesting SOMETHING...just so they can be part of the show, I think.

    Regarding technological changes, I think the advent of the home studio has probably stopped a lot of young kids from starting bands. When I was a kid, I started a band because there wasn't really any other way to make music. If I could have sat home and recorded everything myself, I might have been less compelled to do that.
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    • #32
      What seems to work for us is... and I think someone said it earlier - you can't play the same old 70s and 80s hits like the eagles, lynyrd, and so on. We CAN play all of those songs and do from time to time but we keep a wide variety in our shows. We are all mid 20s and play anything from chuck berry to no doubt... from the beatles to the gorrilaz... it keeps it fresh and we throw in stuff you don't hear every weekend... like fleetwood macs version of black magic woman. We also are not afraid to put some creativity into the songs we do... I don't enjoy playing exactly what the record sounds like on most songs. Keep it creative, unpredictable, appealing to several generations, and tight.

      I think at some point you can't play for yourself... but you have to play for your audience and most older guys I know only play blues or only play swamp pop or what have you. The older you get the less you can put up with playing some ****************ty new age song just because girls in their 20s like it. Sometimes you just have to suck it up.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ambugaton View Post
        What seems to work for us is... and I think someone said it earlier - you can't play the same old 70s and 80s hits like the eagles, lynyrd, and so on. We CAN play all of those songs and do from time to time but we keep a wide variety in our shows. We are all mid 20s and play anything from chuck berry to no doubt... from the beatles to the gorrilaz... it keeps it fresh and we throw in stuff you don't hear every weekend... like fleetwood macs version of black magic woman. We also are not afraid to put some creativity into the songs we do... I don't enjoy playing exactly what the record sounds like on most songs. Keep it creative, unpredictable, appealing to several generations, and tight.

        I think at some point you can't play for yourself... but you have to play for your audience and most older guys I know only play blues or only play swamp pop or what have you. The older you get the less you can put up with playing some ****************ty new age song just because girls in their 20s like it. Sometimes you just have to suck it up.
        Nice to see some younger bands and musicians contributing to this place! Sounds to me like you're definitely on the right path. Keep the old stuff fresh and creative. Helps to be young though. Those 20something girls would much rather see a band of 20something dudes play an old Eagles song --- regardless of how well the older band nails it. That's just the way it is, baby.

        And I'm all for coming up with your own sounds and arrangements on songs. It's all about keeping the vibe going. Not whether you nail a guitar solo note for note or anything. And that's sort of the beauty of modern songs: a traditional band really CAN'T play that stuff "just like the record". So it essentially forces the band to think outside the box. That's all good, IMO.

        Would love to hear/see some of your stuff.
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        • #34
          I'm working on a little promo video from our last show on Friday. If I like it when I am done I will post it. Keep in mind I live in an area of about 12,000 so little bar room gigs are primarily what we do. DISCLAIMER: Its my first band and we have only been playing out for right around a year. Not nearly at the level as most of you are.

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          • #35
            Good to hear!! Looking forward to the video!
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            • #36
              Originally posted by guido61 View Post



              Somewhere along the way, younger musicians stopped wanting to be in cover bands playing out to people their own age
              One word. . .YOUTUBE


              When you were young, why did you want to be in a band?

              -CREATIVE OUTLET - Now you can record a whole album by yourself in your bedroom, why do you need to play in a bar to get your songs heard?

              -FAME - Why have 50 people hear you in your hometown bar when you can get a million views on Youtube?

              -GIRLS - tons of young chicks on Youtube stroking your ego by adding comments about how talented and cute you are

              -TRYING TO MAKE IT BIG - these days you do that by recording an album at home and promoting it on social media


              nAs for your lack of young cover bands?? They are out there, they are just all on Youtube. Pick any modern song and type in "Insert Song Name Here Cover" on Youtube and there will be 100 or more hits of young musicians performing covers of that song from their home studio/bedroom/living room
              Last edited by Howie22; 08-26-2014, 10:13 AM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Howie22 View Post

                One word. . .YOUTUBE


                When you were young, why did you want to be in a band?

                -CREATIVE OUTLET - Now you can record a whole album by yourself in your bedroom, why do you need to play in a bar to get your songs heard?

                -FAME - Why have 50 people hear you in your hometown bar when you can get a million views on Youtube?

                -GIRLS - tons of young chicks on Youtube stroking your ego by adding comments about how talented and cute you are

                -TRYING TO MAKE IT BIG - these days you do that by recording an album at home and promoting it on social media


                nAs for your lack of young cover bands?? They are out there, they are just all on Youtube. Pick any modern song and type in "Insert Song Name Here Cover" on Youtube and there will be 100 or more hits of young musicians performing covers of that song from their home studio/bedroom/living room
                I suppose. But there's no substitute for the a live response. As much as girls stroking my ego online might feel nice, isn't real life stroking always better?

                Nothing compares to the response you get from an excited audience when you're on stage. I guess if you're getting the same jollies by posting on youtube, then go for it. But I gotta think young bands are missing out on something if they limit themselves to virtual stroking....
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by guido61 View Post

                  I suppose. But there's no substitute for the a live response. As much as girls stroking my ego online might feel nice, isn't real life stroking always better?

                  Nothing compares to the response you get from an excited audience when you're on stage. I guess if you're getting the same jollies by posting on youtube, then go for it. But I gotta think young bands are missing out on something if they limit themselves to virtual stroking....
                  I agree, but they may not know any different.

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                  • #39
                    I just don't think they have the role models anymore. There aren't that many young bands out there for them to aspire to be. What young boy in the 70s didn't want to be in Led Zeppelin? There's no young Zeps out there to emulate. I think they probably all figure they'll wait until they are 50 to join a live band and gig out. It's something old guys do.

                    I've posted this here before but my theory is this:

                    in the mid 90s two things happened at the same time--1) the "anti-rock star" backlash that was the shoe-gazing grunge thing. B) the rise of classic rock as 60s/70s music was just reaching its prime nostalgia period that made it possible for all sorts of 40-ish guys to put together bands and have decent success in the club scene. By the time both of those events passed a decade later, young musicians really had no idea or maybe even desire to be rock stars anymore, and the whole concept of a "live rock band" had pretty much become an 'old guy' thing from a previous generation.

                    Add to that the rise of the internet and all sorts of alternative forms of entertainment and it was a perfect storm for killing the entire live music scene.

                    I STILL think it can make a comeback though. Just has to be done the right way by the right musicians. Live music is just waaaay too cool of a thing to have completely die out.
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                    • #40
                      I agree with you dave. One other thing is that there really is no training ground for young musicans and this is because live entertainment got ditched for DJs. Back in the day there was an active live music scene that worked the school systems , CYO , and teen dances. Today its all DJs. There is no place for a 15 to 18 year old to lean to build a band and play live and get paid to do it. School music programs are not as popular as they were when I was young. Pretty well every band I ever played in in high school had people who really good singer because they got vocal training in choir. The last band had three chamber choir singers in it that also played in jazz band. today johnny cant sing,, and really had no real foundation in music where they have to play and sing with other players. I also agree with dave that there are too many distractions that pull kids away from music. Getting good enough to play in a band takes more effort than most kids either have time for or are willing to give. The lack of a real teen band music scene and lack of participation in school music programs are at the root of it. Most kids would rather doodle with their I phone, rather than an instrument learing how to figure out rock songs.
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                      • #41
                        The main inspiration for starting up my first band in high school was going to a high school dance and seeing the live band perform. Just some 20-something cover band from the Bay Area who might not even have been all that good, but they looked and sounded like Led Zeppelin to me. The dance floor was packed. The girls were all crowding the front of the stage. Obviously they were getting paid to be there. My friends and I all looked at each other and decided "wow...we've have GOT to figure out a way to do THIS!" Why in the world would anybody want to do anything ELSE with their free time??

                        Wanting to play HS dances was our main goal. And we put together a band and played a lot of 'em back then. Bars and clubs came much later, when I was much closer to 21 myself.

                        What do young musicians have to aspire to today? Not so sure.
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                        • #42
                          Dave , that was exactly what got me started too. You worked your way up from 50 buck roller rink dances to proms. The proms paid as much as the big meat market bars the older guys over 21 were playing who were road bands. By my senior year we were an A list teen band and had 5 school systems we were working for, the biggest church sponsored teen dance and the park and recs dept. Some of the guys at my high school who were a few classes ahead of me played in the rivearas who had the hit California sun. That band had a ton of players go through it because of the draft. Being in high school was an advantage because we were not going to get dafted. My split from that band on prom, would fill up the bonniville station wagon 12 times just to put things into perspective when it comes to inflation. School systems had money and they didn't have to make profit off the band. For all practical purpose we had what most would call wedding band lineup.
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                          • #43
                            Yeah my first few years gigging were playing High School proms and homecoming dances all over the state of Montana.

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                            • #44
                              The bands I was in, we used to buy kegs of beer, print fliers and play out in the middle of nowhere. We made good money doing that, until the Sheriff's started raiding our gigs
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