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  • #91

    Originally posted by sventvkg View Post


    Yea this town is rough but moreover what it's putting out i'm totally not into so it's a no brainer to leave. I've made some money this year finally but it's not even as much as I will make gigging locally back in FL and I've gone into debt here over $40K so....

    Also, keep in mind I'm a full time Music/video guy, and never had a day job so it is a bit different than most of you but I totally get it. I'm 43 but even I don't plan on playing in most of my bands and in 10 years I may play in one and do some solo work on my own, or just DJ. Who knows but it's not going to be much. I'll hire other younger players for that and work in other areas of the business. Thanks for the well wishes man.


    You can make a good living doing solo shows at bay and beach side watering holes if you are a top solos act. Nashville didn't pan out for you so I can blame you for leaving. The big uphill battle in local yokel music scenes is that without cover charges you are capped at what they can pay. You also have the issue that if they serve food , turning the tables over is the way to max revenue for a bar. Live music is counter productive to that. The numbers on that are ,,, live music ,, turn them 3 times,,,, no entertainment ,, you turn them 5 times.
    "you mess with him and you mess with the whole trailer park"

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    • #92
      I agree with Tim. I think you'll kill it in Florida sventvkg! Great weather for people to go out at night, lots of money there, and places that actually pay musicians.

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      • #93
        A singer/drummer former bandmate of mine also recently gave up on Nashville and relocated to Memphis to make a splash there. But what influenced that decision, I think, was Memphis being close to his home town in NE ARK. When I knew him he was all country, sang just like Steve Wariner and a great drummer. During breaks from our road band he played at Tootsies for tips. I haven't been able to talk to him at length so don't know if he decided to branch out into blues or what, Memphis not being known for country music. Like most music towns it has a glut of players translating into much competition for gigs.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by sventvkg View Post


          Yea this town is rough but moreover what it's putting out i'm totally not into so it's a no brainer to leave. I've made some money this year finally but it's not even as much as I will make gigging locally back in FL and I've gone into debt here over $40K so....

          Also, keep in mind I'm a full time Music/video guy, and never had a day job so it is a bit different than most of you but I totally get it. I'm 43 but even I don't plan on playing in most of my bands and in 10 years I may play in one and do some solo work on my own, or just DJ. Who knows but it's not going to be much. I'll hire other younger players for that and work in other areas of the business. Thanks for the well wishes man.
          Around the time I was 33 was when I gave up the full time music thing. I was in Las Vegas at the time and decided I had enough and did the "start over" deal. Left town; found something else to do with my life.

          Around that same time a friend of mine around the same age as me decided to turn his band, who had often played disco songs in their set as a lark, into a full on costume disco-tribute thing. Remember this is the early 90s we're talking about. Nobody was really doing that yet. At least no one was doing it in Vegas yet. (This was also just as Vegas was becoming "Vegas, Baby!") He did so well with that that he built into a full on talent agency with many copies of the same bands, etc. Pretty much what you're talking about doing. He's done VERY well with that. I've wondered sometimes what would have happened had I decided to stay down there and get involved in some of that.

          So, yeah..it can be done, and it's not a bad route to take when you've still got the energy to do so. So yes....best of luck for sure!
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          • #95
            My first gig with the new keyboardist went great! And then they announced that the venue is closing. Ah well. Hopefully the new replacement venue uses the same booking guy because he likes us. Fingers crossed. I'll know if a few months.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by MartinC View Post
              I agree with Tim. I think you'll kill it in Florida sventvkg! Great weather for people to go out at night, lots of money there, and places that actually pay musicians.
              Thanks. Yes I grew up down there and did very well financially gigging both there and when I moved to AK. That's a biz I definitely know well but like Guido said, the pay is capped and the local work is just bread and butter till I build up the other stuff

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              • TIMKEYS
                TIMKEYS commented
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                I think I was the guy that said the pay was capped doing tikis bars and bar food joints. I know this market pretty well ,, and its always a race to the bottom. A three piece is about as much as you can wring out of a place like that. Now since you do tracks you should be able to do a duo and be fine ,, but you still have the stigma of being a track act. If its really good the customers wont care ,, but those are kind of lifeless gigs from a musicans point since you are confined to the track and cant improve into other songs on the fly. but a gig is a gig. go for it
                Last edited by TIMKEYS; 07-22-2014, 09:49 PM.

              • sventvkg
                sventvkg commented
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                Tim we're just about done doing all the tracks for 112 songs in Abelton's live which are gridded and we can change keys, change pitch, loop sections etc etc. We can really do anything we want and that's why we set it up this way. Our tracks are 3/4 from the original artist multi-tracks which we procured and we will mute the parts we are not playing and we've created and improved on parts/sounds etc... Gonna really set us apart from the crusty old dudes using a drum machine and a looper or Karaoke tracks We're both really good at what we do so there won't be any stigma once people hear us and if the tracks don't work, we will just do the gig acoustic...2 AC guitars, 2 vocals, Piano, harmonies. That will work too. And since we're using multi-tracks if we want to do a gig that's an "unplugged" thing but with drums and bass we can mute everything else and just have the drums bass, piano/acoustic (my partner) My acoustic, and our vocals.. It's really flexible.....Alternatively, I can use the tracks to do solo gigs that call for it. I plan to do solo acoustic, duo unplugged and probably weekend band replacement Duo tracks gigs. But again, that local stuff will be replaced by the wedding, tributes and corporate stuff as that builds so it's a means to an end. I'm just happy to be going to a place where the work is plentiful again which is something I really took for granted and now that I have lived in a place that it isn't, and struggled for years, I REALLY appreciate!!

                Oh also, I forgot to mention the tracks will also form the basis of our Variety/Corporate/Wedding band in that when we add drums and bass we can just mute those parts in Abelton's Live and we still have the core. Also, my friend Michele and another female friend will be doing some gigs with us so we're working up about 30 female fronted multi-track songs for when they join us for gigs. Gonna be a very flexible system which we can build upon.
                Last edited by sventvkg; 07-23-2014, 06:29 PM.

            • #97
              Picked up some dates playing keys and harmonica with a Willie Nelson tribute act! The main guy is very good and authentic. I already know most all the songs so it will be an easy fun gig. Got a few months to work on that Mickey Raphael harp vibrato.

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              • #98
                Or don't even worry so much about tracks and just try to do something different with the duo. These guys are my favorites up around here. They do a lot of really clever and different stuff. They use tracks some, but mostly not. This isn't even from a gig of theirs--just them playing up at the top of a mountain after hiking. But you get the idea...


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                  • They're AWESOME!!! Dave!!! Very nice! Venue's not bad either but... what a great idea, and the ideal players, for a very original, yet comfy like your winter blankly, duo. Really nice! Clever, but not in spite of their music. I love them! Yes!
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                    • Yeah, I think those guys are wicked talented. They do a lot of surprising songs and mashups. They've got a really good act. The fiddle player also plays mandolin and guitar and some other stuff. And they're doing really well up here. They've got a steady gig on one of the tour boats on the lake, do a lot of after-ski parties at the resorts and they've done a few cocktail sets at weddings we've played. Always get a kick out of seeing them. A really good example of how to push your talents to some new areas while still being relatable to the audience.
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                      • Exactly. It's what I spoke to when I was predicting the fall of life bands. Rethink and find a new niche. Not to diss your current trajectory. What you do is awesome and needed. But a lot of guys don't know where to go with their talent now that there is no market for them. In a lot of places. So you rethink the market. Always something there to remind me was fantastic. To hear a fiddle play those parts was genius. And then he busts into harmony! A good one. Really cool stuff.
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                        • csardas mp3.mp3

                          That duo reminds me of some of the duo gigs I did. I attached a tune we did that I recorded at home. Couldn't resist adding a bass track.

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