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  • So I got a Digitech DHP-33 and a DHP-55

    I've been comparing them a bit and Honestly I'm not sure why I often hear that the 33 is the better unit. It's obviously more limited in what it can do but I heard the Tone was better.
    For anyone that has experience with these units, Can you point out some of the differences sonically between them?

  • #2
    I hear ya...I own both as well and I've heard the same thing. I MUCH prefer the DHP-55/Studio 5000. The 33's do the shimmer and arpeggiation thing SLIGHTLY better/differently. The 55's are pretty much untouchable for everything else.

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    • #3
      I hear ya...I own both as well and I've heard the same thing. I MUCH prefer the DHP-55/Studio 5000. The 33's do the shimmer and arpeggiation thing SLIGHTLY better/differently. The 55's are pretty much untouchable for everything else.


      How would I go about setting up the Shimmer on the 33? The actual factory Shimmer patch seems to be more of a Chorus/Delay patch and I thought the String pad algo was needed to create a true Shimmer.

      It's hard to tell what's going on in the 33 sometimes because as of right now I can't find anyway to see the configurations, either from the unit or the Manual. I guess I could just mill around while editing and take note of the Effects that are available
      I like that the 55 allows you to build your own preset from a list of configurations. That rules

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      • #4
        How would I go about setting up the Shimmer on the 33? The actual factory Shimmer patch seems to be more of a Chorus/Delay patch and I thought the String pad algo was needed to create a true Shimmer.

        It's hard to tell what's going on in the 33 sometimes because as of right now I can't find anyway to see the configurations, either from the unit or the Manual. I guess I could just mill around while editing and take note of the Effects that are available
        I like that the 55 allows you to build your own preset from a list of configurations. That rules


        Yeah, the patch titles on those units can be very deceptive. You're right on both counts tho. The string pad patch is the basic building block to make the Edge type shimmer effect. There's a few ways to do it on the 55...which is one of the reasons it rocks.

        Heheh, they are no configuration to speak of on the 33's since the unit is operating flat out, meaning you can do anything that it does from any patch you create. Hence no need to have a algorithm configuration list.

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        • #5
          Dan, you get rid of that IPS-33B?

          Oh man oh man, my Axe-FX should be around in the next week or so.

          Giggity, Giggity
          Originally Posted by ChuckyB


          Being the calmest, most together guy in the room means you can always control the dynamics of whatever angle u want to work that night...




          STUFF:
          Guitars, Gear yadda yadda

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          • #6
            Dan, you get rid of that IPS-33B?

            Oh man oh man, my Axe-FX should be around in the next week or so.

            Giggity, Giggity


            Yup, sold it last friday.

            Are you getting the Ultra??? Sooooo, when can I come for a visit?

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            • #7
              oooohhhh yeah. You are welcome anytime my brothah.

              Might be selling the IPS-33B, G-Force and definitely 2 MP-1's.
              Originally Posted by ChuckyB


              Being the calmest, most together guy in the room means you can always control the dynamics of whatever angle u want to work that night...




              STUFF:
              Guitars, Gear yadda yadda

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              • #8
                oooohhhh yeah. You are welcome anytime my brothah.

                Might be selling the IPS-33B, G-Force and definitely 2 MP-1's.


                You're too kind!

                I hear ya man, I'm pretty sure that I'll be thinning the herd around here as well to make room for the Ultra. My GSP-2101LE covers a lot of the same ground as my MP-1/G-force combo, more in some cases.

                Getting back OT...my DHP-55/Replifex combo ain't going anywhere.

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                • #9
                  Yeah, the patch titles on those units can be very deceptive. You're right on both counts tho. The string pad patch is the basic building block to make the Edge type shimmer effect. There's a few ways to do it on the 55...which is one of the reasons it rocks.


                  Would you care to share a couple of your more effective ways of achieving the "shimmer" effect? I've monkeyed around with my 55 quite a bit, and just can't quite pin down the necessary settings.

                  I've been using mine primarily for a boost and for the whammy and wah/filter possibilities. I'd put it aside a couple years ago and only recently brought it back out, having remembered what wild sounds it's capable of.

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                  • #10
                    Would you care to share a couple of your more effective ways of achieving the "shimmer" effect? I've monkeyed around with my 55 quite a bit, and just can't quite pin down the necessary settings.

                    I've been using mine primarily for a boost and for the whammy and wah/filter possibilities. I'd put it aside a couple years ago and only recently brought it back out, having remembered what wild sounds it's capable of.


                    Sure, the easiest way would be to use one of the string pad (SP) algorithms. You can also make one with the 4 voice pitch shift with regeneration (S4R) and chord shifter (CS) algs. If you use the chord shifter you're gonna need an external delay and mixer, so I won't bother covering it.

                    With the SP alg if you're making it from scratch try alg# 39 or 41.

                    left tone - 0-63 your choice
                    right tone - 0-63 your choice
                    left detune/vibrato - to taste
                    right detune/vibrato - to taste
                    splicing - choose the key, 0 for low, 1 for mid and 2 for the high registries
                    swell type - wet only
                    swell mod - none, or you could link it to a pedal or envelop generator for dynamics

                    Most of the real work is done in the MIX section, I don't know your setup so just balance the swell, wet levels and set the dry level a little higher. It'll really start cooking when you kick in the chorus, dynamic filter, stereo and 6-tap delays.

                    With the S4R you'll only need 2 voices (wet/dry) to make the traditional shimmer, so you can turn the others off in the MIX. You can get crazy and make a hyper-mega-super shimmer by using the other voices. This alg is one of my favs and can make some really strange/beautiful sounds.

                    Harm voice 1 - +12
                    Harm 1 Vibrato/detuner/volume to taste
                    Harm 1 delay - 0ms
                    Harm 1 feedback - start at 50% and adjust +/- from there
                    Harm 1 rolloff - to taste
                    Harm voice 2 - unison
                    Harm 2 Vibrato/detuner/volume to taste
                    Harm 2 delay - 330 to 400ms your choice
                    Harm 2 feedback - start at 50% and adjust +/- from there
                    Harm 2 rolloff - to taste

                    Then just tweak the pans and levels in the MIX.

                    I know a lot this is a bit vague and since I'm going from memory some things may be inaccurate.

                    Edit: SlipKid, PM sent.

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                    • #11
                      More 55 stuff please

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                      • #12
                        I haven't forgot about ya Joel, I've just been having a lot of fun with 2101 lately.

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                        • #13
                          I haven't forgot about ya Joel, I've just been having a lot of fun with 2101 lately.


                          I had one of those back in the day..paired it up w/ one of those Marshall Poweramps..Great unit

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                          • #14
                            I've just become the owner of a Digitech 55

                            I wanted it mainly for the whammy & harmony effects, but I'm well impressed with the range of other sounds it can produce...and I'm only just scraping the surface. It's going to take a bit of time to get used to it and learn how all the effects can work together, so if there are any idiot's guides that go further than the manual, I'd be keen to find out about them!

                            To be honest, I'm not sure I've got it hooked up right in my signal chain yet, so I'd welcome any comments on this for you guys:

                            Guitar > POD XTLive (wah/volume/MIDI) > DHP55 Input (R)
                            DHP55 FX Send > JMP1 front input
                            JMP1 FX Send > DHP55 FX Return
                            DHP55 Output (L) > JFX1 Input
                            JFX1 outputs (stereo L/R) > JMP1 FX Return (stereo L/R)
                            JMP1 master outputs (L/R) > BBE > Power Amp.

                            I'll probably continue to use the JFX for most of my delay, reverb and chorus needs.

                            For the MIDI, I'm currently controlling the JMP/JFX with MIDI program changes from the XTL, and I figured that I could use the XTL expression pedal as a MIDI continuous controller for the DHP55 whammy effect. Any ideas how I'd set this up?
                            Guitars:
                            James Tyler JTV-59 Variax
                            EBMM JP6 2007 Limited Edition
                            PRS Mikael Akerfeldt SE
                            Epi Les Paul w/Fishman Powerbridge
                            Takamine EG440SC

                            Rig:
                            Line 6 DT25 Head
                            Laney GH50L Head
                            Ibanez 2x12 Cab

                            FX:
                            POD HD Pro

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                            • #15
                              For the MIDI, I'm currently controlling the JMP/JFX with MIDI program changes from the XTL, and I figured that I could use the XTL expression pedal as a MIDI continuous controller for the DHP55 whammy effect. Any ideas how I'd set this up?
                              I'd just use the CC pedal input on back of the 55 and get a 250K ohm or less volume or CV pedal like the Boss FV-500 or one the Ernie Ball pedals.

                              Oh, I forgot to ask. What firmware are you running on your 55? All the extensive MIDI commands didn't get implemented till v.2.00.

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