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  • #16
    Originally posted by Stingray5:
    Originally posted by billiam:
    I just read about what people were making for gigs on the bass forum, and I was wondering what I should be getting for what I do. Here's the deal, I am the bass player and I own the PA. There are four other members in the band. We usually split the money evenly when we do play out. I know I'm getting shafted, but everyone always bitches when it comes to money. I have five thousand into PA and another three or so into my various bass gear. I want to call the PA another band member and get that cut too, I got an earfu!! Then I said, "Well, we can rent a lame PA for $100, so at least give me that!!" No way!! The people who complain the most are 1.The lead singer who owns a mike and 2.The rest who spend their money on dope and beer and cancer. They also argue that they have money into their guitar, amp etc. It's a no win with them, what should I do??!! I'm always the bad guy when I bring this up and the others can't see past their paltry B.S.
    And I suppose, the same ones that complain about the money, sit there and watch while you set up the sound equiptment, and probably don't help tear down the equipment either. When it comes to PA I have ment more people with bad backs than, I care to know. Just tell them like it is,and if they don't like it, base players are hard to find, anyway, it'll be their loss! Denny
    I mean Bass players not base oopsss

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    • #17
      Just spotted the trend. Bass player. Owns PA. Humps the gear. Does all the techie s##t.
      Yup. It fits. But I'm the one with the "bad back" and even our female vocalist can park her chin on my head! All seriousness aside, I buy equipment because, along with tools, they're my adult "toys" now that I have given up airplanes and motorcycles. Our band is really good about toting, setting up, striking and packing. We all have chores we do to make each other's lives easier and do them without being asked. I feel lucky because there is nary an "ego" to be found amongst us all. It's an egalitarian setup-we all are open to learn from each other and if not welcome, at least accept graciously feedback that what we just played, well, sucked. We all have other friends in local bands where there is continual friction and see how that can destroy the group. For some reason, and I think I'm the only one in the band that grasps it, we make far better money playing in the "boonies" than we do in the "city". It's more laid back and the crowd is more appreciative that we are there and they don't have to drive as far. In the city (we have two universities and a community college) there are always bands that will play for beer and bar owners more than happy to oblige. In their defense, the young musicians are actually very good...it's just that there are too bloody many of them willing to play for next to nothing. Ah. Carrabelle, FL...a quaint little drinking village with a fishing problem...
      My apologies for the ramble...the Guiness is particularly fresh tonight!

      Kim

      [This message has been edited by thunderpaw (edited March 22, 2002).]
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      • #18
        Thanks again for the support and comments. I'm not offended by anything you said MrKnobs, but you do pose a valid point. I know of a drummer who is definitely good, but his personality is ZERO. He bought tons of goodies, but no one wants to play with an A-Hole. BYRNES, the bond among the members is made of smoke and beer, but I am in it to play music not hang out and kill brain cells. I can do that in the comfort of my own home!! The band I'm in plays too many Dead tunes and has this "We are SO COOL" attitude. Smoking lots of dope and wearing tie die does not make them good. Image is their thing. I used to be setting up the PA and they would be like "Where can we hang this tapestry? The lights!! The lights!! We need LIGHTS!!!" How about smoking a good does of reality! I'm ranting on now about the BS, but two of the members are on my wavelength and I feel like sticking around to play with them, of course, one is my drummer,the other is lead guitar. Who knows, we could branch out by ourselves. 5SLINGER, I'm not a kid either, I'm 28. FUEL TRUCK, I live 30 minutes north of White River Junction which is on the New Hampster border. The next time that someone says that they got a paying gig, I've decided that 15% for the PA would be fair based on what 5SLINGER says and if they give me the "NAY", I'll still be nice and give them a couple phone numbers to call for them to get their own PA.

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        • #19
          Just a couple more thoughts on the subject. How much do you have tied up in the PA gear and are you responsible for getting it to the gig? Did you have to get a special vehicle just for this purpose? One thing to consider is that the companies that rent out equipment do so with the intention of making a profit,not just to break even. IMO,you should be asking a bit less than rental amount for this reason. I think a lot of band members would have a bad feeling if they thought another band member was attemting to make money off of them. I think if you could somehow show some kind of amount that was breaking even and your fellow members could see it that way,it might be a different story. At least if they were fair,they would. Just my opinion. The key is trying to make them see that you aren't trying to fatten your wallet on the deal.
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          - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
          - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
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          • #20
            I used to play in an AC/DC cover band with a 17 YO bassist who could play slap bass like a madman and belt out Bon Scott "all night long" all night long. He'd never been in a band before and didn't have two dimes to rub together. When he did get some money, he'd blow it all on video games and cigs.

            I rented him an old but decent P-Bass I had plus a Peavey/Music Man bass rig. I charged him $50/night for the rental. The other band members thought this exorbitant, but I really didn't want to rent my stuff to him, and I did want him to have some incentive to buy his own gear as soon as possible. When I suggested that they get together, buy him a rig, and let him pay it off with time payments none of them wanted to do that. In the meantime, Peter just kept blowing his gig money and never did buy his own gear.

            We played around 2-3 gigs per week for about 3 years. He must have paid me around $15 grand rent on that bass rig and it didn't bother him at all. The bass and amp were pretty much trash by the time the band broke up. Peter was just happy to play and not interested in financing stuff or worried about money.

            I wasn't trying to make money off him, just trying not to lose it and trying to get him motivated to buy his own gear. Didn't work.

            Terry D.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by thunderpaw:
              .the Guiness is particularly fresh tonight!

              B]



              yummy.. guiness... = )
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              • #22
                I'm definitely not trying to fatten my wallet at the expense of the band. At 15%, an average $300 gig would net me $45 for the PA and then the band would split the $255, five ways to make it about $51 per member. We would each be paying $10 to rent a decent PA. The cheapest PA rental deal I saw is $100 a weekend for a powered mixer, speakers, mics. The way I see it is that for the price of a pack of smokes and a six pack, they would be getting hooked up pretty good. The money wouldn't even come out of their pocket!! Some bars even give free booze!! Besides gardening, my other hobby is music. All my spare money goes towards equipment, not some habits that I have to maintain. Heck, I'll buy a new piece of gear and they give me the jealous stare. What they don't want to see is that their smoke and booze habits cost them maybe $40 a week on the low side. Multiply that times 52 weeks in a year and whammo $2000 easy. Add in their weed habit and the numbers increase a lot more. S***, they'll spend $80 for a quarter of weed that is gone in a week, but they won't buy a mike stand or cables. We used to rent some equipment when my PA wasn't going to cut it for a gig, i.e. larger amps, extra speakers, etc. You'd think is was easier prying a hunk of flesh out of a lions mouth when I told them that I needed X dollars off the top to pay for the rentals!!Besides the money issue and their drugs before music attitude, I'm going to stick around for a while until their actions force me to look for something else!! Sorry about all the ranting and raving, but you just got to release somewhere, and it is always nice to get support from others who have been in my shoes or can offer advice without personal attacks!!

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                • #23
                  Billiam,
                  Stick to your guns. Like I said above figure one decent driver blows tell them it'll take 2-3 nights at 15% to pay for this. Lose your board or a crossover or power amp and your playing for free for 3 weeks.
                  Good luck.
                  And I meant the "kid" thing in a literary sense. I'm 42 my kids are getting close to your age.

                  CJ
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                  • #24
                    Part of my deal with my guys: If a guy is bringing a piece of gear in for collective use, he's responsible for assuring that it's in good working order. If anything used collectively blows/breaks/lets its smoke out, or otherwise needs repair, the band pays for it as a group. Same deal holds with us for any piece of gear used collectively--dimmers, drivers, diaphragms, bulbs, vehicles.

                    We also have a "no gaff, no cardboard" rule. Any gear held together with gaff or patched with cardboard must be repaired before it is used again (actually had a youngster guitarist who tried to convert an open back single 12" cab to a closed back by gaffing a sheet of cardboard over the back).

                    Mic stands and cabling are purchased collectively. We consider these consumable items, which I just buy as needed and charge the band for. This way, we're assured of sufficient fresh mic cords and decent stands (a cheapo boom stand will last 2-3 years with us, unless a drunk falls on it).

                    Phil
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                    • #25
                      Just tell the lead singer it is his responsibility to buy the PA. What the hell, the guitarist spends a wad on his gear, the bassist cough up a pile of cash on his, the drummer sells a kidney on ebay to pay for his kit, and the lead singer walks in with an SM58? Bah! Imagine a bassist showing up for a gig without his amp!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by The Evil Dr Wingnut:
                        Just tell the lead singer it is his responsibility to buy the PA. What the hell, the guitarist spends a wad on his gear, the bassist cough up a pile of cash on his, the drummer sells a kidney on ebay to pay for his kit, and the lead singer walks in with an SM58? Bah! Imagine a bassist showing up for a gig without his amp!

                        Plus,how many of them even own their own monitor!
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                        -For Sale: <br />
                        -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
                        -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
                        - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
                        - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
                        - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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                        • #27
                          Billiam next time you have a gig e-mail me with the time and place nhpstudios@pshift.com
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                          • #28
                            Bump
                            <div class="signaturecontainer">Yeah, now!</div>

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                            • #29
                              It just so happens that I am filling out the gear list for our van insurance rider. Out of a grand total of $23,840.00 worth of gear only about 5 grand is not mine. This is not including personal rigs (bass, guitar, or drum rigs) just PA and limited lighting gear. I don't make enough to turn much of a profit, so its agood thing that the band helps with the load in/out and set up and that they have some potential or I wouldn't waste my time and money anymore. I make more $$ on the days when Strange Daze are off and I'm doing sound for someone else. Then again, Strange Daze keep me busy 3-5 nights a week and theres something to be said for a regular gig.

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                              • #30
                                i own the PA. in our band ,have about 18500. in it.i bought an old school bus to carry everything.i charge my band 150.00 no matter what.but i do not take a cut for playing guitar.a average gig makes us 400 to 600 dollars.and around here if we payed someone to do sound production for us it would run 400 a night.all the guys in my band couldnt be happier with this situation.i also told them how it would be before i bought it to.
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