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  • #16
    I use the Furman HD6 system. I have the same ethernet cable setup, but only the stereo mix and 4 sub items to mix in per station. I have 4 stations on stage.

    The only complaint I have is the extra time it takes to run the cables from box to box when we setup. The limiter is in the rack and the mix sounds fantastic (we use E2's). Each mixer goes for $87.00 and the distribution amp is around $260.00. You aren't gonna get much more bang for the buck than that!

    So. If I wanted to go wireless from my personal mixer to a belt pack, are there any options for me other than a Shure system (in which case why would I bother with the Furman system)?
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    • #17
      Hey guys,

      I am looking at getting a PSM200 system for rehearsal (leaving it hard-wired), but there's 2 reviews up on the Harmony-Central site saying that it's not a very good product? In particular, one says that if you want to sing out of tune get this product, otherwise get some good floor monitors.

      There's a list of FAQs on the Shure website that has a thing about the sound from your vocal chords travelling through the bone in your head and hence you can hear it in your ears, and the site suggests mixing in an audience ambience mike to overcome this problem.

      But that aside i'm just wondering if anyone has used this product in a rehearsal room environment, and how did it go?

      Cheers

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      • #18
        >>>>>>
        It is probably me, but I can not find anything about transmitter and beltpacks/receivers on the Hear TEchnologies website.

        What do you have and where did you get them?

        There is no transmitter available from hear technologies, you can plug directly in to the personal monitor mixer w/ ear buds or you can plug a wireless unit into tht mixer and you are wired.

        The system costs around $800 for the hub, cables, and 4 mixers (ear buds not included). follow the contact link on the website to fiond out where to buy.

        We bought an extra hub, we use one group of signals for the vocalists and guitarists and another for the rhythm section, we've been using it for a year, 3-5 gigs a month, 4 rehearsals a month plus some recording dates, we've never had a problem.

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        • #19
          We use the PSM 400 with 2 receivers and 2 different channels in our church band. While I like using the PSMs, the thing I'm not crazy about is the "click" sound that I hear while the music is on...as if the transmitter is trying to "find" a clear channel

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JulesB
            Hey guys,

            I am looking at getting a PSM200 system for rehearsal (leaving it hard-wired), but there's 2 reviews up on the Harmony-Central site saying that it's not a very good product? In particular, one says that if you want to sing out of tune get this product, otherwise get some good floor monitors.

            There's a list of FAQs on the Shure website that has a thing about the sound from your vocal chords travelling through the bone in your head and hence you can hear it in your ears, and the site suggests mixing in an audience ambience mike to overcome this problem.

            But that aside i'm just wondering if anyone has used this product in a rehearsal room environment, and how did it go?

            Cheers


            (1) Bad reviews? Hmm.... hadn't seen them, I'll check it out. I've used the PSM200s probably as much as anyone, and have a few minor bones to pick with it, but in general I think they're great and can't be touched at the price. Maybe the person who wrote the blurb about singing out of tune has actually been doing that for a long time and just now is able to hear it?

            Seriously, though, he's probably talking about the standard headphone "problem" all of us who record people experience. If a vocalist can't hear themself, he or she will often sing flat. However, if they can't hear the band (too much vocal), they will often sing sharp. I have no idea why this is, but I observe it again and again. It's all a matter of getting the volume in the earphones right, which is up to the user.

            (2) I'm all for adding an ambient mike. When I first got my PSM400 system, I used an omni condenser mike up on a stand. That actually works pretty well, but is a little odd considering you hear the crowd and stage sound from a point you aren't actually at.

            When I got my PSM200 systems, I noticed a 5VDC powered 1/4" input on the belt pack. Although the input can be used to run wired, the 5VDC tipped me off that it was intended for an ambient mike. I hooked up a little Radio Shack lavalier mike I already had and *poof* instant ambient mike. I was able to control the level with the two position gain switch on the beltpack. It was a step up from the (large) omni mike on a stand.

            Obviously Shure had that in mind from the start, as they now sell the Ambient Pack as an accessory to the PSM200 system.

            (3) I've used the Shure systems in rehearsal a lot. I have a set of v-Drums at the house, so it's possible to practice at "IEM gig volume" late without disturbing the neighbors and their friends, the police. Mostly I use the PSM200s because the PSM400 transmitters are installed in my gig rack that only gets unpacked for shows. The PSM200s I've left portable as we often do little coffee house size shows and I don't carry much gear to those. You could use an ambient mike of some sort for rehearsal, but I find just having the several vocal mikes open in such a small space is good enough to hear anything someone says, at least when they intend for you to hear it.

            Terry D.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by franchelB
              We use the PSM 400 with 2 receivers and 2 different channels in our church band. While I like using the PSMs, the thing I'm not crazy about is the "click" sound that I hear while the music is on...as if the transmitter is trying to "find" a clear channel


              I'm not sure what that is, as I've not experienced it. Maybe Matt can comment?

              I do know the PSM400 doesn't "channel hop" on its own. Shure has instructions for finding the clearest channel(s) where you do switch around, but only during setup.

              Terry D.
              Telling Stories releases 2nd CD, see our WEBSITE! Please check out my GROUPIE STORY and Tales from the Road.

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              • #22
                franchelB: I'm not sure what "when the music is on" means. Is there background music playing? Or do you mean "when the unit is on"?

                Terry is correct, there is no channel hopping going on. Depending on how many channels of wireless are running, it may be interference. That's why we put in the frequency locater.

                For PSM 400: turn all transmitters off. Make sure your receiver is off too. Hold the receiver, press in both buttons, and turn the unit on (while holding the buttons). The antenna on the LCD screen should start scrolling. Plug in the earphones, but don't put them in your ear just yet.
                Scroll the cursor to FREQ, and start changing frequencies. out of the earphones you should start to hear white noise. This indicates that the channel is clean/usable. If there is no sound, or intermittent sound, stay away from that channel. If you can't tell, put one of the earphones in your ears with the volume all the way down, the turn it up a tiny bit - it's loud. Again, consistent white noise indentifies clean channels.

                -Matt

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sugarfried
                  franchelB: I'm not sure what "when the music is on" means. Is there background music playing? Or do you mean "when the unit is on"?

                  ....

                  -Matt


                  Hi Matt,
                  Yeah, I mean while we're playing music.
                  We're using 2 receivers: One is Channel A for the instruments, one is Channel B for the vocals...
                  I'm on Channel A because I play lead guitar. Now, I know my transmitter isn't hopping to other channels; plus it even reads "A" on the LCD.
                  BUT, I do hear "clicks" every once in a while...I don't know if it's a sign of battery usage or switching frequencies or whatever...like it's trying to find a clearer reception.
                  Limiter, EQ, and Mix are all lit up in my transmitter...plus, I keep the mix knob in the middle; though I don't think any of those would contribute to the intermitent clicks. I change batteries every 3 weeks.

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                  • #24
                    I fear that you're hearing the clicks as a result of wireless interference. That's why I wrote the instructions on the frequency locater. Try that, and let me know if it changes anything.
                    -Matt

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                    • #25
                      The only complaint I have is the extra time it takes to run the cables from box to box when we setup

                      You can get a cheap Ethernet "splitter" box, split the signal coming out of the main box, and then run a separate ethernet cable to each mini-mixer.

                      -B
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                      • #26
                        I use some cheap Sony noise cancelling earphones (About

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                        • #27
                          A professional in-ear system will have a couple benefits.

                          1. Built-in limiting to protect your ears from any accidents (feedback, clipping, etc) one mistake can be disasterous, especially when using in-ear buds which are closer to your ear, and harder to knock off your head. But even with over-ear headphones it can be very dangerous.

                          2. Wireless, not neccessary with drums, keys, or other non-moving instruments, but nice to have.

                          3. Better sound, most likely in-ear buds will provide a better sound than your headphones, I have a pair of SCL3 buds which are on the cheap side, bud I definately like them more than any of my headphones (several models of nice Sony and Sennheiser headphones). For some things I prefer my HD-280Pro phones but that's it. You will need to get used to the feel of them though.

                          4. Better isolation from exterior noise, especially if you get custom molds made. I don't have custom molds yet but I get a good fit with stock tips and the noise reduction is 10x more than any over-ear phones I've used.

                          5. Appearance. This might not be high up on your list, but headphones aren'y pretty on-stage, earbuds are slightly better. Unless you're in to that kind of thing.

                          The sound quality and other things may not be enough to warrant the switch but weigh in your hearing a.k.a. your lively-hood and it is well worth getting the right thing to do the job. At very least put a limiter in the chain and set it up properly.
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                          • #28
                            You get what you pay for. I spent $500 on just the E-5 ear buds.
                            Yeah, now!

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                            • #29
                              I use the psm200 with SCL3 buds (custom molds). I love it except for the guitar part...everything sounds fantastic but I'm still having trouble adjusting to the guitar sound. It's hard to go from a 4x12 to having that sound pushed into a tiny speaker in your ear. it's definitely made my playing fall off a bit...mainly leads because notes just decay in my ears when they're still sustaining from the cabinet.
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                              • #30
                                I use the psm200 with SCL3 buds (custom molds). I love it except for the guitar part...everything sounds fantastic but I'm still having trouble adjusting to the guitar sound. It's hard to go from a 4x12 to having that sound pushed into a tiny speaker in your ear. it's definitely made my playing fall off a bit...mainly leads because notes just decay in my ears when they're still sustaining from the cabinet.


                                That is still so weird to me. I use the same setup and the sound from the in ears is the same as FOH (as far as decay, fall off, etc...). I was hoping you had that figured out already.
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