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  • Bullfrog speakers!!!!

    I am mostly curious about the PR1510. Anyone have any experience with these? I am about two or three days away from making a purchase on PA speakers. With $400 to spare, it has come down to two choices... the 64lb NADY THS2012 with 2 twelve inch drivers and 750 watt handling or the 115lb Bullfrog PR1510 with a 15 and 10 inch driver handling some over 1000 watts.

    Anyone who has had experience with either of these products, please post below and help me make a decision between the two. Tell me your experience or knowledge on Bullfrog products. Is the quality of the PR1510 worth the 115 lbs? -Or is the NADY THS 2012 decent enough and the 64 lb load a better idea?

    Also if I plan on getting subs in the future, which of these might the bottom end compliment more? I've got three days to decide, so post away !!!! Thank you.
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    -Esteban

  • #2
    I think the Nady 2x12s will work better with subwoofers.
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    • #3
      What about as stand-alone? Would you suggest the bullfrogs over the NADY THSs? Or with subs would the NADY THSs be the better choice over the stand alone bullfrogs?

      Overall what would be the best value?

      (note how I mention that they are THSs and not PSs)
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      • #4
        Niether name floats to the top when considering speakers (even MI - consumer grade). That said, 12 inchers typically reproduce vocals well. If you are going with no subs and need full range (kick, keyboard, bass guitar) in the mix, then you ought not opt for a 12" cabinet.

        The Bullfrogs will certainly be a better bet for "full range", but don't expect chest thumping low end. Also, the cabinet is made of particle board (heavy, prone to chipping, will swell and fall apart if it gets wet). I'm sure the Nady's are too, although they have tolex covering so that will repel water a bit.

        Another thing to consider is that the Bullfrogs are going to be a bit of a problem to stand mount. They have an odd shape that really can't be mounted on a standard stand. You need to get the horns up around 8 feet high so you don't burn the ears of the front row while everyone else doesn't get any high end at all.

        With regard to the wattage. Don't get all caught up in that game. Specs in the range of speakers you are looking at are optimistic (the nice way of saying they aren't being truthful). There's no real standard for specing so you really don't know what they did to be able to tout those specs.

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        • #5
          Yeah I thought about the mounting situation and it does make alot of sense. I was going to see if I could figure out something for them -but it would be very tricky considering I am going to be moving these things around alot. I am leaning on the NADYs for many of reasons, but I was just making sure that these bullfrogs weren't so much of a better quality that the other factors shouldn't matter.
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          • #6
            Double 12's are generally nice for vocals. Not sure about the Nady's though. The THS is the upscale Nady line (if there is such a thing). They have speakon connectors, actual compression drivers for the high end, and I suppose a vinyl covering is better than carpet from a water repellant standpoint. The tolex may be prone to tearing though. In a $200 cabinet corners have to be cut. The woofers are undoubtedly stamped instead of cast frames and I wouldn't be surprised if they only had 2" voice coils in them. Don't expect a lot of thump. They would really be aided by subs.

            If you don't have to get them for a while you may want to check out the new Cerwin Vega lines. They are "coming soon" on the CV site and you living on the west coast will help availability as CV is based out there somewhere. (CA I think).

            Also, Yorkville has some nice stuff with a fantastic warranty. This is what my band gigs with.

            If you have to stay more budget, look at Community and Sonic. They are kind of "upper MI grade". They use Eminence drivers and other "brand name" components. The bullfrogs may too. My guess is the Nady box is loaded with chinese no name woofers and compression drivers.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by abzurd
              Double 12's are generally nice for vocals. Not sure about the Nady's though. The THS is the upscale Nady line (if there is such a thing). They have speakon connectors, actual compression drivers for the high end, and I suppose a vinyl covering is better than carpet from a water repellant standpoint. The tolex may be prone to tearing though. In a $200 cabinet corners have to be cut. The woofers are undoubtedly stamped instead of cast frames and I wouldn't be surprised if they only had 2" voice coils in them. Don't expect a lot of thump. They would really be aided by subs.

              If you don't have to get them for a while you may want to check out the new Cerwin Vega lines. They are "coming soon" on the CV site and you living on the west coast will help availability as CV is based out there somewhere. (CA I think).

              Also, Yorkville has some nice stuff with a fantastic warranty. This is what my band gigs with.

              If you have to stay more budget, look at Community and Sonic. They are kind of "upper MI grade". They use Eminence drivers and other "brand name" components. The bullfrogs may too. My guess is the Nady box is loaded with chinese no name woofers and compression drivers.
              The Bullfrogs are made out of higher grade OSB and loaded with Eminence Delta series speakers and Eminence titanium high driver. Crossover points of 300 and 4000,I believe. And the driver itself is secured in the cab so that there isn't any pressure on the horn lens to hold all the weight when being tossed around.
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              • #8
                I have that the crossover points are 200 & 2K. Filament Audio Bullfrog Speakers . Nice that they have bracing like that. 115 lbs and odd shape makes them nearly impossible to stand mount though.

                Also, if you are going to use subs down the road this may be a bit of overkill. For an install this seems like an inexpensive alternative, but not all that practical if lugging around every weekend. That said if you can figure out how to mount them, they may have enough low end to do the "weekend warrior" thing without subs. It seems you could at least put kick drum and bass through them and not degrade the vocals. Modifying them to bi-amp might be good too. Put an amp on the 15 and run another amp to the 10 and horn.
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                • #9
                  what would be perfect is if I had 2 straight 4x12 cabs to put em' on top of. I have one angled, but the bullfrogs seem to be too deep to try messing with that. Do they have side handles?
                  ...by the way, this is a very difficult decison.

                  I keep hearing about how nice 12s sound with subs... but then I also hear about how these have high quality components and are worth more. !!! !!!
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                  -Esteban

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                  • #10
                    IMO, you are new at this so DON'T OVERCOMPLICATE!!! - Get something that is easily stand mountable (not some oddball size like the Bullfrogs) Unless you are adding subs now, I say get a single 15" woofer cabinet. You can still add subs to this later for the "thump". Many, including myself, typically use a 15" main with subs. 12's are smaller, lighter and do better with vocals, but really are best suited to the higher range instruments (vocals & guitars) and aren't generally meant for running everything in.

                    I don't understand why you are limiting yourself to just these 2 models. Here's some others to make the decision more difficult.

                    Sonic - T153

                    Yamaha Club Series (either the IV or new V version)

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                    Yorkville PR315, PL 315

                    Cerwin Vega PSX-153

                    American Audio APX-152 (Cheapest option)
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                    • #11
                      Well, there is a number of reasons why I am left with these two specific models. This PA is primarily for vocals -our shows aren't all that huge to where we need to mic the whole band -therefore the 212 cab is just what I am looking for. I asked about some 1x12 cabs, but the ones within the price range I am looking at aren't loud enough for me to cut through the mix. I am planning on getting subs in the near future so I can finally use my beta52 for live applications and mic whatever else I want. These speakers were suggested to me by this board as being (THS -halfway decent -will work) and Bullfrogs -decent. Both of these are capable of reaching fairly loud volumes and they are much less expensive than something of the same oomph that you suggested below. I am not in a really serious band -we just have fun and I've always wanted to have a PA system -it could always come in handy. I have a budget that I need to stick with and I need the speakers to be capable of reaching good volumes and being able to handle the extra power as I upgrade amps.
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                      • #12
                        I certainly understand your points. This is exactly why I recommend a single 15" cabinet. Simple, usually more power handling, capable of more bass than a 12.

                        As far as the Nady goes, not sure where you got the information that the speakers were "loud".

                        The PDF spec sheet says peak power rating is 750W. Peak is usually 2X the program rating so that takes you to 375W. Program is generally 2X RMS so that would take you to 188W. Actually, that's probably about right so they aren't blowing up the ratings too much. BUT - That's not a lot of power handling. Now, power handling isn't everything. Efficiency is important and these claim 101 dB at 1 meter. My guess is this is the efficiency of the horn and not a composite of the cabinet. My point is, these aren't going to be ultra efficient, ultra power handling cabinets. We are talking about Nady, a small step up from Gemini, Pyramid, Gli. Barely above DJ quality. In fact, a lot of their speaker line are piezo loaded DJ type speakers.

                        If you're looking at bullfrogs just get a single 12 or 15 cabinet. They have name brand components and are still inexpensive.
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                        • #13
                          I'm back. Given your need to stay in a budget (and a pretty tight one it seems) - Those Nady's are only $150 ea. on the Nady site, I think you should go with the American Audio APX-152. Here's why -

                          1) There have been several write ups about them here as a good bang for the buck. Even some of the full timers use these as rental units. They have to be somewhat durable to be rented out regularly.

                          2) You won't have to worry about the quality of the particle board you'd be getting in other budget cabinets. Cheap OSB or MDF boxes can shake themselves apart, swell and fall apart when exposed to moisture, chip and break if dropped.

                          3) No carpet or tolex coming loose or ripping. Cheap speakers mean cheap glue and cheap carpet.

                          4) 225W/450W/900W power handling is respectable (and more than the NADY's you are looking at.

                          5) They are lighter

                          6) They will stand mount easier than the taller Nady's. Do the Nady's even have a pole mount?

                          I just don't want you to make the same mistake I did. Prior to finding this oasis of sound advice and in a band for the first time since I was a teenager, I went out and bought a pair of Carvin dual 15 cabinets. I was of the mindset that I wanted "loud" speakers that could handle bass. What I got was a well built cabinet with crap components and muddy sound (inherent in MI grade double 15's). So I ended up selling off everything and starting over.

                          Given that you are on a tight budget you probably aren't looking to upgrade to subs anytime soon. Adding subs is easily doubling your cost. Another amp, the subs, a crossover. A single 15 will allow some bass if you desire, just don't ask the speaker to do more than it should, and you can always put subs under them later.

                          OK, I'm putting away my soap box. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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                          • #14
                            So you would still recommend these over the NADYs even though they are single 15s? I hear so much about how the combination of 12s and 18s sound like a dream. Would 18s still sound better with these than they would with the dual 12" NADYs? I will definately look into this. I guess now all I've got to do is hear more opinions about the American Audio speakers.
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                            -Esteban

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by abzurd
                              Prior to finding this oasis of sound advice and in a band for the first time since I was a teenager, I went out and bought a pair of Carvin dual 15 cabinets. I was of the mindset that I wanted "loud" speakers that could handle bass. What I got was a well built cabinet with crap components and muddy sound (inherent in MI grade double 15's). So I ended up selling off everything and starting over.

                              Were those the lower end Carvin dual 15s? The tall skinny ones? The band I was in before used those speakers. I think I know what you mean, but I recently listened to a live recording I did with them and the vocals (which were not me) sounded pretty clear in them. I sang through them a couple of times myself -although they were louder -they weren't as clear as the old PA with the Peavy 1x12s that we used before. That is why I feel comfortable with 12s, but if it was more of the speaker quality that was causing the muddiness... then that is a different story.
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