Members GigMan Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 That new Peavey FX16 mixer does look pretty cool - http://peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/116191/number/00512400/cat/310/begin/1/16FX%3F.cfm I wonder if anyone has compared it in a head-to-head look against the Allen&Heath MixWiz3 16:2 - http://www.allen-heath.com/US/DisplayProduct.asp?pview=49 ...comparing the various factors: no. of mic. channels/stereo channels, aux sends, DSP, inputs/outputs, :blah: etc... ?? And of course, the main thing to be compared - sound quality! One thing that stands out for me on the Peavey FX16 is that you can record directly onto a USB device w/mp3 compression. Seems like a handy thing, that feature... !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deltaleader Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 I havent compared these two...seems similiar to my mizwiz 14:4:2 and that is a great mixer. recording through usb seems interesting but I wonder what kind of loss in quality you might get if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 16, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 The FX16 is really a 12-channel mixer with groups and several 'feature' channels, so it does indeed compare a bit more directly with the 14:4:2, but the A&H lacks effects and the USB. However the A&H has 100mm faders, 4-band EQ with two sweepable mids, and they obviously have different routing features. Just look at the features of each, and the company's respective strengths and weaknesses, and compare them with your specific needs. I don't know that either is the better product, because they really are quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GigMan Posted February 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 Interesting, that the A&H 14:4:2 has no built-in effects, yet the 16:2 and the 12:2 models do have effects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 16, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 Interesting, that the A&H 14:4:2 has no built-in effects, yet the 16:2 and the 12:2 models do have effects... It's what'll fit in the form-factor. Not a lot of room in 19" rackspace. They traded groups or channels. for effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GigMan Posted February 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 It's what'll fit in the form-factor. Not a lot of room in 19" rackspace. They traded groups or channels. for effects. Got it - soooo, on a related note... what is the benefit of having "Groups" ?? I understand how multiple Aux Sends can give you completely different monitor mixes for each monitor speaker if you wanted but what do Groups do for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 16, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 Got it - soooo, on a related note... what is the benefit of having "Groups" ?? I understand how multiple Aux Sends can give you completely different monitor mixes for each monitor speaker if you wanted but what do Groups do for you? You can use groups to consolidate several channels under the control of one fader. Several keyboards, a drumkit, the backing vocalists, etc, could each have a group and their levels can be controlled with one finger. Or a group could have processing like compression or reverb on the group instead of individual channels, if that was appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blsmn Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 When mixing bands or musicals I will use groups as a master fader for different aspects of the mix - all the vocals to group 1, all the instruments to group 2, maybe a group for all the drum mics. That way when mixing if the instruments start getting too loud I can back them all down off of 1 master fader. Obviously if a single guitar is getting too loud I back off the individual channel, but if the instrumental mix is pretty even it is nice to have one fader to control the total volume of whatever is grouped together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GigMan Posted February 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hmm... sounds like having Groups is a... "Good thing" as Martha Stewart would say But I think having the convenience of built-in effects would outweigh it for me. Then again, the Peavey FX16 has both built-in effects AND Groups - but has less channels... :blah: - now I'm starting to get it. The the fact that the FX16 has two stereo channels is appealing to me as a keyboard player, although that would only be handy if I was right next to it and plugging straight in... otherwise, I'd be running XLR outs from the back of my amp (or just 1 XLR out if running in mono) - and then the stereo 1/4 in. inputs would be useless. I'd like to see the back of this thing (the Peavey FX16) but the link for pic of "Enlarged rear" is not working, only the Enlarged front link is (click it and you get a picture of the mixer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prosigna Posted February 16, 2007 Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 Got it - soooo, on a related note... what is the benefit of having "Groups" ?? I love this question. I have never understood the answer either. I don't know anyone who needs groups on a 16channel mixer. Craig your answer is exactly correct but who needs it on 16-ch. Shoot, you can grab more than half the faders with just one hand. Are they really needed or is this a marketing thing like "British sound"? Look we have 16-channels AND 4-groups. Ours must be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GigMan Posted February 16, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2007 I love this question. I have never understood the answer either. I don't know anyone who needs groups on a 16channel mixer. Craig your answer is exactly correct but who needs it on 16-ch. Shoot, you can grab more than half the faders with just one hand. Are they really needed or is this a marketing thing like "British sound"? Look we have 16-channels AND 4-groups. Ours must be better. ...aaaahh - so "Groups" are more handy on a 24, 36 or most definitely on a 48-channel mixer but you're saying they're not really necessary on a 16channel 'board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 16, 2007 CMS Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 I love this question. I have never understood the answer either. I don't know anyone who needs groups on a 16channel mixer. Craig your answer is exactly correct but who needs it on 16-ch. Shoot, you can grab more than half the faders with just one hand.Are they really needed or is this a marketing thing like "British sound"? Look we have 16-channels AND 4-groups. Ours must be better. If you're using it for faders, yeah, you can 'grab' a bunch at once. If they're all in a row. If you're really good at keeping the relative levels the same. On the same token you could also use post-fader auxes for monitors, *if* you can adjust the faders while adjusting teh aux sends. But do you really want to?? What about if you use the groups for processing? What if you use them for a common mute? There are uses for groups on small mixers. It's not unheard of, just depends on what you need or want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DTravz Posted February 17, 2007 Members Share Posted February 17, 2007 I find that groups are handy if you are playing and mixing from stage. It's quick and easy to grab a group fader to tweak, say, the over-all drum levels, between notes, or wherever you can. Everyone's take is different no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rxnet Posted February 17, 2007 Members Share Posted February 17, 2007 I use grouping just for the drums. I can mix them individually to get a good sound and then within the group I can adjust the overall volume without touching the original mix...seemed to work pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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