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  • #31
    Eh, you think you drive proletariat car, but Ford owned Volvo, and that makes you petite bourgeoisie. We have cleansing class every Tuesday. You come to class.






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    • #32
      RBTS you had mentioned Yorkville in this thread. I am not familiar with them but from the research I have done, it appears to be made by a company in Canada. Yorkville appears to make high quality mixers. There is someone selling a Yorkville M810 Powered Mixer [locally] for $550. He says he bought it a year ago. 10 channels plus 2. Seems to be just the thing to "grow with". I would imagine though that some very good quality speakers to go with it would be needed. Anyone have any thoughts on the quality of the M810. It appears to have come out in 2004. Also what kind of reasonable offer [if I decide] would be suitable. Rule of thumb 'been told' is that most audio equipment [when sold second-hand] should be 1/2 the list price. In this case the Yorkville M810 list is between $1149.99 - $1129.00 although it appears that the sale price = $861 new on the street.

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      • #33
        Yes, Canadian Company. My own PA is founded on their NX 550P speakers, which is a powered speaker, so the amp is included, in a cabinet with a 12" woofer, and a high freq horn. I have been very pleased with them. They were purchased after hearing many people on this forum speak well of them.

        Their instrument amplifier line is Traynor, which has been around for a long long time too. I do not know about their mixers, but I would be inclined to trust a product with their name on it.

        I agree with your research, and the price used is usually about half of what the actual cost was new... (not the "suggested retail" or some gimmick price), so if something sold for $ 850 new, then $ 425 would be a closer general estimate of it's value used than $ 550.

        When I was putting together a system, I decided to go with powered speakers, and a passive mixer, instead of a powered mixer and passive speakers... but it is commanly done either way.
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        • #34

          When I was putting together a system, I decided to go with powered speakers, and a passive mixer, instead of a powered mixer and passive speakers... but it is commanly done either way.


          So the M810 is a powered Mixer ?

          Powered mixer VS Passive Mixer !! I apologize if I seem confused; I guess I need to take Course PA101.

          It appears that the Yorkville M810 has [among its many features] 'the mono line inputs on channels 5 and 6 are pre-eqd for HI-Z instrument level input, making them an ideal place to start when looking for that perfect live acoustic guitar or direct bass sound'

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            • #35
              ha ha... I am not familiar with the M810 mixer specifically. I AM familiar with the Yorkville Company. You said:" There is someone selling a Yorkville M810 Powered Mixer [locally] for $550. " I took it from this that the M810 WAS a powered mixer. Maybe not? I will do some research and find out.

              Yep, sure is... a powered mixer... with two amps on board, each 400 watts at 4 ohm.

              Sure this would be a good mixer for a solo artist, and I think a couple of Yorkville NX 35 speakers would be a good match for it.
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              • #36
                Just going to add my $0.02...

                I've been doing the solo acoustic gig thing since the 70s (full-time working pro), and I've gone through more than my share of PA setups. The first was an *old* Peavey powered mixer and two speakers each containing 2 10" drivers. No horns or tweeters. I then "graduated" to the venerable Shure Vocal Master (Vocal Disaster) PA setup -- a powered mixer with large knobs and "anti-feedback" switches combined with two five-feet-tall speaker towers containing multiple 10" drivers. Again, no horns or tweeters.

                Since then, I've used more than my fair share of PA setups, including the Peavey XR600 (a real warhorse), the original Fender Passport (great concept, not-so-great sound), and stuff from Yamaha, Yorkville, JBL, Peavey, EV, Behringer, even the old Kustom tuck-n-roll, and more that I can't remember. BTW, the new Kustom is crap -- the only advantage is the price point.

                The rig I use for solo dates in clubs now sounds as good as any small setup can, and while not the cheapest, it won't totally break the bank. I have a Behringer powered mixer (actually, several, because they are inexpensive and I hate gigging without backup) feeding two EV Force i cabinets (15" + a horn each). The Behringer offers lightweight power, decent effects, and a goodly amount of inputs at a rather low price point. The EVs are great speakers for the money -- good, solid low end and crystal clear highs.

                I feed the mixer with a Shure Beta 58 mic, a Digitech Vocalist 2 harmonizer, an Akai Head Rush looper pedal, and a Fishman Aura preamp for my acoustic guitars. I usually position the speakers so I can hear them, but I also have wedges and in-ears that I can use if I can't.

                As with anything, YMMV. End of $0.02.
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                • #37
                  BTW, the Yorkville stuff is quality stuff, too.
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                  • #38
                    for $550. " I took it from this that the M810 WAS a powered mixer. Maybe not? I will do some research and find out.

                    Yep, sure is... a powered mixer... with two amps on board, each 400 watts at 4 ohm.

                    Sure this would be a good mixer for a solo artist, and I think a couple of Yorkville NX 35 speakers would be a good match for it.


                    Just a note: I was actually looking at the M810 in a local music store yesterday. The 2 x 400W @ 4ohms is actually MAX power. I read it right off the back of the mixer.
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                    • #39
                      Just a note: I was actually looking at the M810 in a local music store yesterday. The 2 x 400W @ 4ohms is actually MAX power. I read it right off the back of the mixer.


                      Yea. So is that enough "power"? I dunno.
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                      • #40
                        I bought the new Bose L1 with the T1 tonematch.. Yes its triple your price-range, but before I was always buying new gear and now im happy. I play solo and duo gigs.

                        If its strictly small coffe shop gigs get one powered speaker JBL eon g2, and a cheap small mixer with some onboard efx. You''ll be under a grand, and can always add a second speaker if you go beyond coffee shop gigs.

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                        • #41
                          Fishman now has a very portable line array system that would work great for coffee shop and similar situations. A thousand bucks and IMO, many instances would require an add on sub so the cost would be that much higher but still less than the Bose PAS.
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                          • #42
                            Does anyone have any experience with the new(ish) Peavey TriFlex system? I ask because someone is selling one on my local craigslist for $800. I don't have any particular use for one at the moment, but it does peak my curiousity. They look like a modernized, powered take on the old Dawn speaker system. I'd like to see one in action.

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                            • #43
                              Fishman now has a very portable line array system that would work great for coffee shop and similar situations. A thousand bucks and IMO, many instances would require an add on sub so the cost would be that much higher but still less than the Bose PAS.



                              Have you tried or heard it?

                              That's mighty short to be called a line-array. I'd imagine the dispersion won't be nearly as effective as the PAS...it would only act as a line source at a pretty high frequency. It would be interesting if the bass response was usable as-is, as Fishman claims.
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                              • #44
                                Have you tried or heard it?

                                That's mighty short to be called a line-array. I'd imagine the dispersion won't be nearly as effective as the PAS...it would only act as a line source at a pretty high frequency. It would be interesting if the bass response was usable as-is, as Fishman claims.



                                No, I've not seen or heard it yet. It's not even on Fishman's website yet, or wasn't a couple of days ago. The description is "line array" on the ads I've seen and I suppose like most advertisers, they're being a bit lenient in the actuality vs the description.

                                With that unit supposedly having the essence of the Loudbox units, it should be a very dependable system and should also sound quite good, depending on the low end reproduction, and I agree it's going to be interesting to see if it does, indeed, handle those lower end frequencies as claimed.

                                I think it's going to be a viable, lower cost, alternative to the Bose PAS, of which I'm somewhat familiar, having heard it in real life situations, indoors and out. It also won't surprise me if other similar systems aren't showing up in the near future.
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                                • #45
                                  I have been looking at Mixers and Pa systems on local selling sites like [CL] Craig's List for example. Some are selling Mixers; or a mixer with speakers; or just speakers; or Speakers Stands. For one who is entering the PA system environment for the first time, one obviously needs the accessories that go with the 'circle of sound' such as , dynamic microphones, 20 ' mic cables, speaker stands, and 20 ' speaker cables etc... Unless you got a terrific deal on CL, you could end up spending nearly as much as one of those PA packages that the Music Online Outlets [such as MF]. If you bought a Mixer here, and the Speakers somewhere else, and the speaker stands [again privately] ...well you know what I am getting at !
                                  I have not found private sellers on CL willing to part with their product at a bargain price, or what I would consider 1/2 off the regular price for the product if it was brand new.
                                  Just an observation !

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