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  • The real price of gear ?

    I live in Sydney Australia and i have really become angry at how much more we are expected to pay for audio gear in this country.. I have been looking at a drive rack 260.. Here is what i find on ebay via USA compared to a price in an aussie store

    EBAY

    http://cgi.ebay.com/DBX-DriveRack-260-110%2F220V-Brand-New-Authorized-Dealer!_W0QQitemZ300294695476QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ 20090218?IMSfp=TL090218139006r37662

    AUSSIE STORE

    http://www.turramurramusic.com.au/Pages/CatalogueItem.aspx?CIID=2211


    Now im aware that there is an exchange rate that would take up a bit of the margin.. At this time $699 USD converts to about $1100 AUD.. Also taking into account id get a discount at a store here it would probably end up being around $2300 if im lucky.. yet that's still $1200 more after the crap exchange rates! I realise there would be import taxes (but then again wouldnt USA pay something similar also ?) and/or there could be at least one extra dealer/importer in the chain but either way it does not and should not equate to $1200 on an item of that price... I understand people need to run a business and make money but considering even the ebay sale would be making money, this just equates to blatant highway robbery!!

    So my question is, who is making this extra profit and where do they live ? i wanna have a word with the ****************ers!!

  • #2
    If I had to guess, it's probably not the retailer.

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    • #3
      You might check to see what the import taxes are for products made in the U.S.A. It's different for every country unfortunately.

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      • #4
        I think the taxes are about 10%... there is no way it accounts for variation of this magnitude.. I dont think its the retailer either, id say its the australian suppliers.. i hope people in Australia start buying overseas more and more to make these greedy ****************************s wake up..

        Does anyone know how hard it is to run step down transformers on gear ? Does it risk any damage or compromise in operation in any way ?

        A lot of things have switching power supplies so i can buy overseas no problem, but for DBX stuff which doesnt im thinking i could just run a transformer if its not going to perform any different ?

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        • #5
          I am currently using a DR 260 110v from a small 230/110v transformer with no problems. I notice that ProAudioStar have a number of 260s advertised in their shop, most at $999 and a couple at $699. They list different voltage configurations - 110/240v. Not sure if this is a new model with voltage switching or not. When I was looking 6/8 months ago the 240v models were a couple of hundred dollars or more dearer. I went with a second hand one, 110v. I live in NZ
          <div class="signaturecontainer">Saving Ryans privates</div>

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          • #6
            if i got one of these...

            http://cgi.ebay.com.au/250W-Isolating-Step-Down-Transformer-240V-to-120V-New_W0QQitemZ220369355886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_15?hash=item220369355886&_trksid=p3286. c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A 1318

            it says it will do 250 watts... could i run a USA power board and use a bunch of 110 volt items off this one transformer ? i just looked at the DR260 manual and it says it only uses 25 watts of power.. would that suggest i could use up to 10 devices of 25 watts power without any trouble on a transformer like this ?

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            • #7
              if i got one of these...

              http://cgi.ebay.com.au/250W-Isolating-Step-Down-Transformer-240V-to-120V-New_W0QQitemZ220369355886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_15?hash=item220369355886&_trksid=p3286. c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A 1318

              it says it will do 250 watts... could i run a USA power board and use a bunch of 110 volt items off this one transformer ? i just looked at the DR260 manual and it says it only uses 25 watts of power.. would that suggest i could use up to 10 devices of 25 watts power without any trouble on a transformer like this ?


              Is Aus power 50hz or 60hz? If it is 50hz, that might make a difference to some gear designed for 60hz (as it is in the US)

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              • #8
                i think its 50hz... but wouldnt the transformer convert the hz also ?

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                • #9
                  i think its 50hz... but wouldnt the transformer convert the hz also ?


                  No it would not. I am not sure how frequency dependent modern equipment without motors is. I would look up the specs for anything that you wight want to operate and see if it lists a specific frequency or "50/60hz".

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                  • #10
                    If I had to guess, it's probably not the retailer.


                    This guy is right - You'd be REALLY surprised and shocked as to how much margin the aust distributor puts on it - he probably doubles what it cost him before he sells it to rob at turra music - most stores probably only stack about 30-40% on top of their cost (most r.r.p.'s are 33-50% on top of dealer cost, depending on the distributor)

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                    • #11
                      I think you will find that 10% is on the low side. There's also the added responsibility tjhat the importer has for warranty service and maintaining inventory of repair parts and the laws covering repairs and warranty are different in each country as well.

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                      • #12
                        I know its the distributors that are screwing everyone.. I am fully aware that a business needs to make money, but i also have a "rip off threshold" as well and when i see some items like DBX and JBL costing 3-4 times as much as USA its easy to get annoyed.

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                        • #13
                          I think you would find 10-15% is about right.. Warranty is still a factor for USA sales as well, its not a cost component only valid in Australia. Same with spare parts, thats relative in the same way for the USA sale at $699. Those arent added extras.

                          The only other factor i know they have to pay for is standards testing to ensure the items comply with local power requirements. But thats void obviously for speakers. Even after some misc extra costs it shouldn't go from $1100 to $2300.. Its a pure rip off cause customers out here have very limited options.

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                          • #14
                            The distributors must pay YOUR government taxes (call them fees or whatever you want) that add to their cost of doing business.

                            Here's a sample of fees above and beyond the taxes based on the product itself.:

                            http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/notices/ACN0621.pdf

                            Import duties on electronics goods from the US can reach as high as 30% of the cost of the goods, plus overhead. Somebody's got to pay for these costs and it ends up being the AU consumer.

                            These fees (taxes) are not uniform with respect to countries of orgin or product class.

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                            • #15
                              This is why I have so many ETONE speakers. Locally made they can really compete with what is available elsewhere. Same goes for jands, australian monitor etc.

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