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  • simple way to record a band live

    I am doing sound for a small fest and I wanna record the bands live straight from my board what will i need to do that? I have a allen and heath mix wizard 16:2

  • #2
    I just picked one of these up:

    http://www.numark.com/idec

    In addition to being a really cool way to interface your iPod for playback it will also allow you to record to it and playback video through the composite and s-video outputs. It also charges your iPod.

    Playback is good. I haven't tried recording or video yet as I just unpacked it this morning. I'm hoping this will make recording something that happens all the time. As it is now I will either drag a computer out or take the eight sub groups out to a Tascam DA-96.

    I'll try and record tonights show and report back.
    I love to sing, and I love to drink scotch. Most people would rather hear me drink scotch.

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    • #3
      Just about any type of 2 track recording devise would work for L/R input from the mixer. Just depends on your budget on how much storage time and the sound quality your after for the final results. Personally I would use the direct outs you have on your mixer into a multi-track unit so I could re-mix and edit each individual track. That's approach would involve some bank probably not the route you would wanna take.

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      • #4
        please let me know how the ipod recording goes

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        • #5
          Personally I would use the direct outs you have on your mixer into a multi-track unit so I could re-mix and edit each individual track.


          I often wondered about the route that Twostone has mentioned ... using the direct outs of a MixWiz 16:2 mixer into some sort of multitrack recording device....

          Does anybody have any experience with this sort of thing? What sorts of recorders (Features? Makes? Models?) would be suitable in this application? I've scanned the Sweetwater catalog and saw only two devices that appeared to fit the bill. There must be more options out there ... and I'm curious what they are.

          Does anybody have any experience with this sort of setup? What would be required to make it work well?
          The SpaceNorman

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          Keyboards and Tone Generators: Yamaha CP300, Kronos 88, Roland AX Synth, Motif ES Rack
          Keyboard Rack: Samson SM10 Line Mixer, Motu MIDIExpressXT MIDI Interface, Shure PSM200 IEM system, M-Audio Wireless MIDI, Live Wires IEM ear buds, iPad wOnSong.
          Stage Amplification: Stereo via 2 Yamaha DSR112s

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          • #6
            I often wondered about the route that Twostone has mentioned ... using the direct outs of a MixWiz 16:2 mixer into some sort of multitrack recording device....

            Does anybody have any experience with this sort of thing? What sorts of recorders (Features? Makes? Models?) would be suitable in this application? I've scanned the Sweetwater catalog and saw only two devices that appeared to fit the bill. There must be more options out there ... and I'm curious what they are.

            Does anybody have any experience with this sort of setup? What would be required to make it work well?



            I've done this with my Allen/Heath Gl2 into an Echo Firewire 12 into my laptop using both VST32 and Reaper. It works very well and allows for mixdown/editing to get a good final stereo mix.

            I've also done stereo recording by hanging a couple of decent mics ~50' out from the main speakers and running them into a DAT deck. Works well, but doesn't give as good a final product as the multi-track.
            Eschew Obfuscation.

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            • #7
              Here's a few units to consider.


              http://www.economik.com/rme/octamic-ii/

              http://www.economik.com/digidesign/192-i-o/

              http://www.economik.com/products/shop-by-brand/presonus/

              http://www.economik.com/apogee/rosetta-800-192k/

              http://www.economik.com/apogee/ad-16x/

              Bob
              Veni, Vidi, Velcro;

              (I came, I saw, I stuck around)

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              • #8
                I usually use my Tascam CDRW-4U portable CD recorder recording off a sub-bus (so FOH level doesn't affect what I'm recording). I think any CD recorder would work. The bad part is you have to change CD's every 74 minutes. The good part is it's pretty much ready to give away when the show ends. On some shows I bring a CD duplicator and duplicate what I recorded to hand out to guests that want them (subject to the band/performer's permission, of course.)

                I also use a minidisc (MD) recorders (I have a portable and a couple of Sony homestyle decks). Some newer units can be put into "long play" mode and you get 5 hours worth of STEREO recording. All MD's are erasable/rewritable (up to a million times they say). Very convenient (they're small and rugged), but MD's can be hard to fine now. Plus you have to go home and transfer them to CD's for handing out.

                If you are interested in MD, check out:
                http://www.minidisc.org/index.php

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                • #9
                  Lexicon Lambda isnt bad, you just need to pad the xlr inputs to the lambda (from the mixer)

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                  • #10
                    I've recorded Mixwiz direct outs (pre fader on V3 I think. I had my V2 converted to pre). I used an EWI 1/4" to XLR patch snake into a Tascam US-1641.

                    It works great. I also recorded directly to Laptop via a post fader aux. It's hit and miss, but listen between sets and adjust the auxes and you can get a pretty decent recording after a few shows. Also done this with a zoom recorder and had very good results (aux out into line in of recorder).

                    I do neither of these things now though. I bought a Presonus StudioLive and have complete flexibility of recording shows several different ways.
                    www.nextexitrocks.com

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                    • #11
                      I'm not so now if you are asking for techniques or equipment recommendation.

                      If you need the best fidelity and intend to do some editing back in your home studio, check out Korg's line of DSD recorders. One of them is a portable unit.

                      Alesis Masterlink also falls in the same category.

                      For me, recording live to CD or MD is simplest and foolproof. Just adjust input level and press record!

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                      • #12
                        I use an Alesis HD24 to record up to 24 discreet tracks. In my case, because I use a Yamaha O1v96, I take just 3 light pipes from the board to connect 24 channels. The HD 24 does have 24 channels of balanced analog in and out via 1/4" TRS as well, so it would also be a good choice for analog boards.
                        There are two versions, the XR has significantly better converters if you are using the analog ins and outs. MF has the XR for $1799, the standard for $1599.
                        It costs $800 to upgrade the standard to the XR after the fact. Also there are usually some available on ebay.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm struggling to get my head around how some of the interfaces folks have recommended would function in my application.

                          Many of the ones that are in the "affordable" range ( < $1,000) are firewire interfaces - often talking about lots of channels of I/O (Example: Motu Traveler MK3 - 28 In / 32 Out) - yet appear to have physical connectivity for only 8 inputs. How does one use "28 In" via 8 physical inputs?

                          Others (i.e., the AD-16X) appear to provide for the required # of physical connections via multipin connectors. I'm guessing that "fan cable" with TRS connectors on one end and a multipin on the other are readily available. These units aren't cheap with most prices tags being in the $2,500+ range - with the actual recording units needed over and above that.

                          Then there's the Alesis units - a veritible forest of TRS connectors (24 "IN" and 24 "OUT") on the back. (I can envision how this one hooks up...) Price is a not completely out of the ballpark $1,600.

                          Perhaps I should back up and be a little more specific about what I'm trying to do. I'm currently doing live recordings straight from the board - via an "AUX mix" into my little Zoom H4 recorder. While it ain't studio quality - the results I'm getting aren't all that bad. My biggest challenge is getting the AUX mix right in terms of balance. Because we run sound from stage - and my primary reason for being there are my keyboardist responsibilities - I get maybe 5 minutes on any given night to tweak the AUX mix.

                          While gear porning in the throneroom one afternoon - I stumbled across the Alesis HD24 ADAT recorder in a Sweetwater catalog...which got me to thinking.... If I could record each channel discretely - I'd be able to "remix" the raw channels at my leisure and end up with a much better mix for my final product.

                          Looking at the back panel of the Alesis - I'm thinking I should be able to simply connect a TRS cable from the output of each of the 16 channels on my MixWiz 16:2 analog mixer, set a line level on it's corresponding channel input on the recorder, press record and go play my gig - and end up with 16 synchronized channel recordings - each containing the whatever passed through the channel strip that fed it. Afterwards - I'd simply plug the 16 outputs from the recorder into the channel inputs on the same MixWiz - and mix the individually recorded channels down to a two track recording.

                          I'm thinking too that this would give me the option of taking the discrete channel recordings over to my buddy's studio (commerical joint with ALL the toys) if I wanted to have some post production magic worked.

                          Am I coming at this in the right way?
                          The SpaceNorman

                          www.facebook.com/SuperstarsOfRock
                          www.souldoutrocks.com

                          Keyboards and Tone Generators: Yamaha CP300, Kronos 88, Roland AX Synth, Motif ES Rack
                          Keyboard Rack: Samson SM10 Line Mixer, Motu MIDIExpressXT MIDI Interface, Shure PSM200 IEM system, M-Audio Wireless MIDI, Live Wires IEM ear buds, iPad wOnSong.
                          Stage Amplification: Stereo via 2 Yamaha DSR112s

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                          • #14
                            There are really 3 ways to do it.

                            1 - Right off the board via an aux. As you know you get a blind recording. It's not perfect, but it's very cheap compared to other methods

                            2 - With a dedicated piece of gear like the ADAT, or other piece with storage built in. There are many multitrack recorders out there, just not a lot that can do more than 8 tracks at a time that are affordable. Post production capabilities of each of them vary widely from none at all to effects, compression, etc.

                            3 - Interface, laptop, software. This gets my vote as the most practical and flexible. For less than the cost of most of the #2 solutions above, you can have a fully functioning laptop that will get the job done (~$600 or less will give you the horsepower you need ). Something like the Tascam US-1641 can be had for $300. Reaper is highly capable multitrack software and a mere $60. So a budget of less than $1000 can get you what you want and you get a shiny new laptop to boot.
                            www.nextexitrocks.com

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm struggling to get my head around how some of the interfaces folks have recommended would function in my application.


                              Looking at the back panel of the Alesis - I'm thinking I should be able to simply connect a TRS cable from the output of each of the 16 channels on my MixWiz 16:2 analog mixer, set a line level on it's corresponding channel input on the recorder, press record and go play my gig - and end up with 16 synchronized channel recordings - each containing the whatever passed through the channel strip that fed it. Afterwards - I'd simply plug the 16 outputs from the recorder into the channel inputs on the same MixWiz - and mix the individually recorded channels down to a two track recording.

                              Am I coming at this in the right way?


                              Yes you are describing exactly how I use my HD24. I have it mounted in the same rack as my mixer, recording up to 24 tracks is effortless now, as is mixing them back down to stereo.

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