Members SLY_Z_28 Posted June 22, 2009 Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 I think i want a new one....i have a digi reference $250 system...It works awesome but i think I want to try something else. What do you prefer or have had good experience with? ...not really looking for a rack setup either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gregidon Posted June 22, 2009 Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 The Line6 X2 system gets pretty good reviews (do a search). What do you not like about your current system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tado921 Posted June 22, 2009 Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 I have the Line 6 X2 XDS95, it works great. It doesn't affect tone, and I get good range. At our last gig I chased the conga line around the bar and got a good 100 feet from the stage with no problems. It does go through the batteries though, I get about 4 hours out of a fresh 9V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SLY_Z_28 Posted June 22, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 The Line6 X2 system gets pretty good reviews (do a search). What do you not like about your current system? my other guitar player uses the same one and our frequencies clash sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigMac5 Posted June 23, 2009 Members Share Posted June 23, 2009 Shure ULX14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tb_308 Posted June 23, 2009 Members Share Posted June 23, 2009 I'm looking into the XDS-Plus... any first-hand experience? don't mean to hi-jack... it is after all a thread about wireless systems.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flanc Posted June 23, 2009 Members Share Posted June 23, 2009 My wife uses an XDS-plus at every gig without a single problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bryan316 Posted June 23, 2009 Members Share Posted June 23, 2009 I've been using my XDS-Plus for bass, since February. Not a single hiccup, and my low B string sounds far better than with my old Nady UHF wireless system. That thing sucked all the life out of the low end and I compensated with EQing so much. Now with this X2 system, there's no difference that my ears can hear between cable and wireless. XDS-Plus all the way. I'm converting fellow musicians at every gig once they see me run across the bar without a single drop-out or noisy pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scodiddly Posted June 23, 2009 Members Share Posted June 23, 2009 We did a little shootout at work last year for guitar wireless, and the Sennheiser 300 G2 stuff won... even over the top-of-the-line Shure UHF-R. Of course we were limited to the stuff we had on hand, which was a couple flavors of Sennheiser and a couple flavors of Shure, and none of that is cheaper than around $500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lopp Posted June 24, 2009 Members Share Posted June 24, 2009 XDS-Plus works well for me after having used several Audio-Technica and Nady systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members georgestrings Posted June 24, 2009 Members Share Posted June 24, 2009 I'm looking into the XDS-Plus... any first-hand experience? don't mean to hi-jack... it is after all a thread about wireless systems.. Yeah, for a non-racked wireless, they're the best available in their price range, IMO... I've used them a few times with excellent results - and have been gigging an XDR-95 for about a year and a half now, and it's worked quite well for this bassist that uses a low B... - georgestrings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted June 24, 2009 Members Share Posted June 24, 2009 We did a little shootout at work last year for guitar wireless ... I'm curious ... did you run them into high gain guitar amps when testing. Did your test include any digital units? Analog units are awfully hissy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 24, 2009 Members Share Posted June 24, 2009 The AT-5000 units I use are VERY quiet. The 3000 unit I set up for a customer's bass is also very quiet. The Shure UHF series isn't quite as quiet. Don't forget that the signal level into the transmitter must be adjusted down generally because the level is close to line level for many of the active pickups. Watch out for overload. IIRC, the Audio Technica 1200 VHF unit was a favorite years back for the same reason. The same can not be said for many of the cheaper analog units though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted June 24, 2009 Members Share Posted June 24, 2009 Don't forget that the signal level into the transmitter must be adjusted down generally because the level is close to line level for many of the active pickups. Watch out for overload. Yep! And when you set it down so you don't overload you get even more noise. You can't have it both ways. Analog FM is only capable of about 75 dB SN. To get beyond that you have to start resorting to companders and gates and those screw with your tone and dynamics. Plugging into a dime'd guitar amp is WAY different than into a mixer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 Good (well tracking) and quiet companders are not all that difficult to design well. They are done all the time with VCA's. Console VCA's achieve greater than 100dB S/N and cost only a few dollars. The raw gain is not an issue either, trimming the transmitter audio down isn't a problem either, the noise still is baselined on the companded modulated-demodulated signal which can be >90dB on any quality unit. Note that the receiver must be padded to instrument input raqther than just turned down at the AF level trim due to the line driver sitting post volume. This is a source of noise outside the FM loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 the noise still is baselined on the companded modulated-demodulated signal which can be >90dB on any quality unit. So I make it that >115dB is about 25 dB better (hint, hint ) ... and no compander (which I can easily hear on >$2K analog units) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillESC Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 + 1 on the Audio Technica ATW 3110 system. Under 500.00 with excellent reproduction and range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scodiddly Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 I'm curious ... did you run them into high gain guitar amps when testing. Did your test include any digital units? Analog units are awfully hissy. We tested: Bass guitar - all the units sounded goodClean guitar - all the units sounded goodDistorted guitar (receiver into distortion pedal into amp) - Sennheiser G2 had a much lower noise floor than Shure. Huge difference. A later session fooling around with SMAART showed that the big difference between the X2 wireless and all the analog stuff was that the X2 went from very low frequencies (20Hz?) while the analog units pooped out below 40-50Hz, while the X2 dropped out pretty quickly on the high end. So the X2 would be good for bass, not so great for guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 We tested:Bass guitar - all the units sounded goodClean guitar - all the units sounded goodDistorted guitar (receiver into distortion pedal into amp) - Sennheiser G2 had a much lower noise floor than Shure. Huge difference.A later session fooling around with SMAART showed that the big difference between the X2 wireless and all the analog stuff was that the X2 went from very low frequencies (20Hz?) while the analog units pooped out below 40-50Hz, while the X2 dropped out pretty quickly on the high end. So the X2 would be good for bass, not so great for guitar. The X2 claims to reproduce up to 12kHz, which is well above what any electric guitar amp will produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tado921 Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 ^^^Agreed, my X2 has no problem with the high end. Every so often I get up around the 23rd/24th frets on a solo, and I notice no difference between it and using a cable. I'm not a "tone snob", but I care about my sound and wouldn't use it if there were any negative effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 The X2 is flat within 1/4 dB up to it's sampling limit of 21kHz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 The X2 is flat within 1/4 dB up to it's sampling limit of 21kHz. "Frequency Response: 10 Hz - 12 kHz" http://line6.com/xds95/specs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted June 25, 2009 Members Share Posted June 25, 2009 Right. In "guitar" mode there is a roll off that simulates the response of a guitar cable, hence the 12k limit. The transmitter itself when used in "line" or "mic" mode is flat all the way out (of course in mic mode you are limited by the mic ... but not the transmitter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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