Members allexcosta Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 that knows A LOT more about sound (theory) than you, but you still think that your mix is better than his? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moody Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 that knows A LOT more about sound (theory) than you, but you still think that your mix is better than his? Nup. A couple of people that at one stage were the opposite (they did better without knowing as much). But I've improved a lot since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimmymio Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 I don't have any friends! Or ... at least ones that run sound. But I think there are plenty of people with reams of knowledge and theories and equations...people that know exactly how to interface, set gain structure etc... that just don't know how to make a band sound good.I think that often, the average guy in the band, even one that would have no clue as to how to set up a PA, would do a better job moving faders.JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shaster Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 Over the years I've met one or two (or three) people that knew tons about sound, but couldn't transform that knowledge into a good mix. Sometimes because of band complaints in these cases, I've had to "help" with the mix; with guys that could otherwise bury me with their strong sound skills. Very strange, but I guess it can occur in almost any field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bugzie Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 Not a friend but someone that runs the board for a friends band. Just can't use his ears! I'll walk in and my friend will ask if I can help out. I wait till he takes a pee run. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flanc Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 It's certainly possible. One of the best guitarist I know doesn't read music and is self taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members patman0322 Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 I know several people that have been employed as soundmen at some of the clubs we play that think they know a lot about sound. The kind that know enough to that they think since they're there, every knob must be turned and every box in the effects rack must be used, but not enough to know that things would probably sound better if most of the knobs were zeroed out and most of rack units bypassed. My favorite soundman was the one everyone else in town didn't like 'cause they thought he wasn't doing anything, even though he had good sounding mixes, because he wasn't back there constantly moving things. I loved him because once he was happy with the soundcheck, he would leave things alone and not screw the mix up. He would walk around the bar, stand in one spot for a while and listen thoughtfully, move to another spot for a while and listen some more, and after he'd listened enough in enough different places he'd go back to the board and make a little tweak here and there and then go listen some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trevcda Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 My favorite soundman was the one everyone else in town didn't like 'cause they thought he wasn't doing anything, even though he had good sounding mixes, because he wasn't back there constantly moving things. I loved him because once he was happy with the soundcheck, he would leave things alone and not screw the mix up. He would walk around the bar, stand in one spot for a while and listen thoughtfully, move to another spot for a while and listen some more, and after he'd listened enough in enough different places he'd go back to the board and make a little tweak here and there and then go listen some more. This must be a completely different guy from the one who is nowhere to be found when a guitar solo needs to be bumped or the background vocal is much louder than the lead vocal. Who thinks that all drums and all basses should sound exactly the same because, "Hey, it's just drums and bass". I work with "That Guy" way more often and way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ezstep Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 Most people I know who "know-it-all" about SR usually don't even own a board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Speedhead Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 Most people I know who "know-it-all" about SR usually don't even own a board. This is something that I've also found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MXDAD Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 This happens to me all the time. Being relatively new at this when we do bigger than our average show I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Special J Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 Actually, the people I know who know the most about sound don't own any sound equipment and would prefer to keep it that way. Considering the atrocious return on investment with consoles, maybe those people are smarter than you think. The guy who got me into this business fits that description. He freely admits that he's not the best mix engineer around. He's the best system tech I know though. I prefer my own mixes to his (it really is subjective, you know) because I think my mixes are a bit more "musical" than his. It probably has something to do with the fact that when we were kids, I was learning to play guitar while he was taking apart transistor radios to see how they worked. But, it means squat in the real world. I'm trying to keep a regional sound company on it's feet while he's prepping his PA for the Dylan/Nelson/Mellencamp tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members srp72ee Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 I've found that most DJ's know everything about sound, and they won't hesitate on telling you that. On many occasions I bring my rack mount CD player and background music to play between sets or acts. When they see the CD's, it usually starts going down hill from there. They wonder why the CD setup is so simple and all of the rest of the equipment is there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 I've met a few guys who have an excellent ear and do a really good job of mixing but freely admit to being challenged by the technology AND I've met some really good system engineers who are just not the greatest mixers... they just don't have the ear and feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogoth Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 When applied to those who understand the technical side yet don't have the hand/ear coordination thing down, this is the perfect oportunity to use a "wise saying" that goes: Question) What is the difference between "in theory" and "in practice"? Answer) In theory there isn't any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flogger59 Posted June 26, 2009 Members Share Posted June 26, 2009 I'm kind of the "Audio Guy" in my circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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