Members emilschmack Posted July 21, 2009 Members Share Posted July 21, 2009 So I have band, two guitars, bass, drums, two vocals. We have a Yamaha EMX512c and Yamaha Club SM15s and SM12 monitors. Doing clubs, outdoor festival venues, etc. I cannot get the onboard effects on the EMX 512 to sound decent on vocals. I like delay over muddy reverb and am wondering if I need to invest in a seperate reverb delay unit and abandon the onboard. Lexicon is highly reputable and thought about something like a MX200 to at least upgrade the quality of effects. I even have a 60W Crate accoustic amp with onboard effects that blow the EMX 512 out of the water. I am no pro at mixing. I keep trying to get the vocals sharp and crisp, but cannot seem to put it all together, much less add a little decent delay or reverb. Advice? Emil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members patman0322 Posted July 21, 2009 Members Share Posted July 21, 2009 ...I like delay over muddy reverb and am wondering if I need to invest in a seperate reverb delay unit and abandon the onboard....I keep trying to get the vocals sharp and crisp, but cannot seem to put it all together, much less add a little decent delay or reverb.... Maybe that was supposed to say "It's like delay over muddy reverb..." but if not, isn't "delay over muddy reverb" pretty much the opposite of "sharp & clear vocals"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted July 21, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 Maybe that was supposed to say "It's like delay over muddy reverb..." but if not, isn't "delay over muddy reverb" pretty much the opposite of "sharp & clear vocals"? I took it to mean that he prefers to use a delay more than a muddy reverb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members patman0322 Posted July 21, 2009 Members Share Posted July 21, 2009 I took it to mean that he prefers to use a delay more than a muddy reverb. Ah, that makes sense. My interpretation explains why he's having so much trouble though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted July 21, 2009 Members Share Posted July 21, 2009 I have never heard any onboard FX that sounded as good as separate FX units. Onboard FX are a popular selling point but that is the one place they cut corners to keep the price reasonable. It may work in a church but not in a club gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dangordan Posted July 21, 2009 Members Share Posted July 21, 2009 The Lexicon MX200 is a nice unit. Exceeds the quality (or lack of) the onboard effects significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audioeast Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 THe onboard FX are pretty weak on that thing... id reccomend the TC Electronic M350 for a good quality dual FX unit for under $200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 Maybe using a little less effects would be one place to start... a little effects go a long way. In general, I see folks using way more effects than is tasteful which make any "muddyness" a bigger problem than it really is. Some other good outboard effects to consider are the Alesis PicoVerb and NanoVerb. Easy to use, good sounding verbs and inexpensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WynnD Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 Agreed. Effects are frequently overdone. I use enough reverb to hear it alone, but it vanishes when the full band is playing. Lots of reverb is a crutch for bad vocalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted July 22, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 Agreed. Effects are frequently overdone. I use enough reverb to hear it alone, but it vanishes when the full band is playing. Lots of reverb is a crutch for bad vocalists. Waddaya meanmeanmeanmean???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WynnD Posted July 22, 2009 Members Share Posted July 22, 2009 If the average person notices that there is reverb, either the singer or soundguy is bad. (I do use intentional effects for one song during the night. I play trumpet directly to the audience, so no reverb there either.) For the longest time, I played organ with no reverb. Don't think anyone but me noticed. (For that matter, I could turn it off for the gig this weekend and no one would notice either.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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