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  • #16
    i've never played in a band in a bar that needed bass in the monitors. in fact the bass amp would always be next to the drummer anyway so it's pointless. whenever i'm the bass player i specify no bass in the monitors because it usually just sounds bad even through high quality wedges.


    Do you play drums? Just because you don't like bass in your wedges doesn't mean a 30 year vet of drums shouldn't have bass in his wedge. Stick with your bass playing okay don't be giving advice about being pointless about what drummer's not needing bass in their wedge just because you don't like bass in your drummer's wedge. Maybe not all bass player use a bass amp. I know few bassist that show up with a bass POD? Um lets see I don't allow bass in my monitors.

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    • #17
      OK, I probably went overboard tonight. I bought a 16 channel Mixwiz, 2 drive racks (1 for mains and 1 for monitors) and a rack.

      I'm still on the fence with the sub. I'm sure I'll probably buy that as well.

      I just want to buy a great setup that will make the band sound great. I think I'm there now minus the one sub.

      Now I just need to figure out how to set it all up. Thanks so much for those that posted in the thread.

      One thing I've learned about this after many years. Buying something for $500 to put a bandaide on the problem when $700 will fix the problem for good is just stupid. That's pretty much where I am right now.


      Good choice on the mixer it's my next big ticket item. I gotta Peavey with 4 aux sends but the 2 extra aux sends would be even nicer.

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      • #18
        Do you play drums? Just because you don't like bass in your wedges doesn't mean a 30 year vet of drums shouldn't have bass in his wedge. Stick with your bass playing okay don't be giving advice about being pointless about what drummer's not needing bass in their wedge just because you don't like bass in your drummer's wedge. Maybe not all bass player use a bass amp. I know few bassist that show up with a bass POD? Um lets see I don't allow bass in my monitors.


        geez relax. you missed the point...which is that on your average bar gig you are close enough together that you can just turn up the amp if someone needs to hear more, therefore leaving more room for other stuff in the wedges.
        www.myspace.com/hothouseband

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        • #19
          geez relax. you missed the point...which is that on your average bar gig you are close enough together that you can just turn up the amp if someone needs to hear more, therefore leaving more room for other stuff in the wedges.


          Let's just turn up the bass......
          there, that's better.

          Oh, now I can't hear the guitar...... turn up the guitar. There, that's better.

          Well, now I can't hear the vocal....... Turn up the monitor for my vocal. and the accoustic guitar, and the electric.

          Now I can't hear the triggered kick or the sample of the keys. Turn up the keys amp.


          Meanwhile, the audience is leaving from the mash of noise coming off the stage. No cohesion, no clarity. Just mush.

          Good job. We got our $400 for the night. Sheesh!
          Dale Christenson

          Dale ChristensonJust remember that the individual is the smallest minority and liberalism is a disease of the mind."In the beginner's mind the possibilities are many, in the expert's mind they are few." - Author UnknownLook in the mirror for the answers to your problems

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          • #20
            Let's just turn up the bass......
            there, that's better.

            Oh, now I can't hear the guitar...... turn up the guitar. There, that's better.

            Well, now I can't hear the vocal....... Turn up the monitor for my vocal. and the accoustic guitar, and the electric.

            Now I can't hear the triggered kick or the sample of the keys. Turn up the keys amp.


            Meanwhile, the audience is leaving from the mash of noise coming off the stage. No cohesion, no clarity. Just mush.

            Good job. We got our $400 for the night. Sheesh!


            or maybe you are too loud if you can't hear the bass.

            different strokes for different folks. our way works for us. your's for you. no big deal. admittedly i was feeling pretty damn opinionated when i entered this thread. probably too much so.

            i still don't like bass or electric guitars in wedges whether it's me playing it or not. sometimes it's necessary but i'd rather avoid it. in an ideal situation for me a bass, two guitars and drumset would not need a PA in an "average" 150 person bar type gig if it weren't for vocals.
            www.myspace.com/hothouseband

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            • #21
              or maybe you are too loud if you can't hear the bass.

              different strokes for different folks. our way works for us. your's for you. no big deal. admittedly i was feeling pretty damn opinionated when i entered this thread. probably too much so.

              i still don't like bass or electric guitars in wedges whether it's me playing it or not. sometimes it's necessary but i'd rather avoid it. in an ideal situation for me a bass, two guitars and drumset would not need a PA in an "average" 150 person bar type gig if it weren't for vocals.


              I can understaand not putting bass on the front line wedges because we don't either just the drum wedge a Yorkville NX750P which can dish out some nice low end without sounding lke crap. Plus the hard hearing gotta have a little bass in the drum wedge to keep the stage volume down.

              I tried the vocal only appraoch problem I ran across it increased our stage volume way to much because both guitarist we're trying to fill the room up with their amps and just turned out to be a cluster **************** of sound and screaming match to trun down mean while the crowd left because we made their ears bleed during the cluster ****************. I learned just to mic the backline and keep a iron fist for stage volume and let the PA do the work. All is good

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              • #22
                I can understaand not putting bass on the front line wedges because we don't either just the drum wedge a Yorkville NX750P which can dish out some nice low end without sounding lke crap. Plus the hard hearing gotta have a little bass in the drum wedge to keep the stage volume down.

                I tried the vocal only appraoch problem I ran across it increased our stage volume way to much because both guitarist we're trying to fill the room up with their amps and just turned out to be a cluster **************** of sound and screaming match to trun down mean while the crowd left because we made their ears bleed during the cluster ****************. I learned just to mic the backline and keep a iron fist for stage volume and let the PA do the work. All is good


                true. i play guitar in my band. original music only. we only play one set and typically play with 3 other bands per show. our backline consists of a 50watt marshall with a 212 cab, a fender concert 410 and an ampeg SVT. our mantra is to turn down until we are no longer comfortable and then it's probably right. i don't need to hear the other guitar player hardly at all during the set because i know what she is doing and what i need to do. big amps are purely for quality and fullness of sound and we are told by almost everyone that we sound very nice and mix well.

                most original acts around here only put kick snare and vocals in the PA and occasionally the bass if the bass players amp won't do the job. i would mic the backline if it were needed but it's not for most of the venue and it's not like a cover band situation where you are worried about stepping on peoples toes. the audience is there specifically to see original music and expect it to be loud. if you sound like a mess though then they probably won't be into your band and skip your set next time.
                www.myspace.com/hothouseband

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                • #23
                  Question?

                  Considering most rooms we'd play are 200 people tops, do you think on Yorkville LS800 18 inch (1500 watt) sub would fill a room like that? I've got to think that one sub would suffice in a closed room like this. Thoughts?

                  Thanks

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                  • #24
                    Question?

                    Considering most rooms we'd play are 200 people tops, do you think on Yorkville LS800 18 inch (1500 watt) sub would fill a room like that? I've got to think that one sub would suffice in a closed room like this. Thoughts?

                    Thanks


                    In most situations, a single LS801P will be just fine for up to 200 people indoors.

                    Al
                    KV2 KX12s - Yamaha DXR15s, RCF ART 310A , Yamaha DXR8 - Yamaha DXS12 subs, Wharfedale Titan 12 actives, Yamaha MG12/4 mixer X 2, Peavey PV10 mixer, Yorkville PGM8 mixer - Many Sony MD players (home and portable), Shure cordless microphone and a variety of LED lighting effects.

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                    • #25
                      IMO, given your own description of the sound you're looking for, I disagree. While better than no sub, one will probably not be "enough" for 200 people.

                      That said, look to your own experience. What kind of provided PA's are you playing through now? Do they have no subs, one sub, two subs, big subs, small subs? If you've played through several house systems then you probably know what you're looking for or what you'd deem "passable" for your own rig. If you don't know the specifics of "that" system, then go find out more about it.
                      www.nextexitrocks.com

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                      • #26
                        Abzurd does make a good point. I re-read the inital post and given the style of music and emphasis on ''volume'', you might just need a pair of LS801Ps to provide the volume you are looking for. In many situations, a single LS801P would be enough, but two might be better here. Maybe try to rent one or two and see?

                        Al
                        KV2 KX12s - Yamaha DXR15s, RCF ART 310A , Yamaha DXR8 - Yamaha DXS12 subs, Wharfedale Titan 12 actives, Yamaha MG12/4 mixer X 2, Peavey PV10 mixer, Yorkville PGM8 mixer - Many Sony MD players (home and portable), Shure cordless microphone and a variety of LED lighting effects.

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