Members monthlymixcd Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 Looking to upgrade our foldback monitors. Currently have 2 JBL G731s and 2 Peavey 112TIs. Running two monitor mixes currently. Really like the footprint of the JBL wedges, just wish they had more bass although they've been working fine for a vocal/guitar mix. The JBLs are beat though... and the Peaveys are worse. Also, we play small stages around here. Looking to get something compact that won't break the bank like an EAW Microwedge. Have thought about going powered or to IEMs... but really like the amps/EQs we have for the foldback system and the fact that it's all in the roller under our gig rig so we don't have to haul it unless we need it. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 MRX-512 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogoth Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 I can recommend the JBL SRX 712m. They are small, light, great sounding & get frightfully loud if needed. I think they're cheaper than the EAW's. They can be had for around $950 ea if you shop around (you weren't too specific about what bank you couldn't break). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogoth Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 MRX-512 Great speakers too. More bottom than the srx712, not quite the same caliber but probably cost $200 to $300 dollars less. They are easily still an upgrade from what you currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted December 22, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 Agreed on all points. The MRX are very nice. The SRX are so nice. Tough to beat in their price ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted December 22, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 Thanks! What're your thoughts on wedges with the horn on top vs. monitors with the horns at the side vs. coaxial? I've been trying to pay attention when I get to play on stage with someone else's rig and so far, the HPR122i monitors at a local venue were the best I've used in the powered category and I thought that their coverage was better in single monitor applications than other "horizontal" boxes I've used including PRX512M. (...understanding that too much coverage can also be a problem.) We only ever have room for a single monitor/musician though, so I need a little wider spread as we DO like to move around. FWIW, I was also impressed by the EV TourX wedges for their horizontal coverage (same reason I like my little JBLs) although you had to be right on top of it to be in the vertical plane. I know there was a thread about the Alto coaxial awhile back, but the search function is still not working for me... curious about that one as well. Looking to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted December 22, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 Wedge coverage is so site-specific that's it's really hard to make a general statement that's useful. As you wrote, sometimes wide patterns are troublesome, sometimes they're just what you wanted. No, the PRX are several hundred more than MRX (~$900 vs ~$600), unless there's some killer deal on PRX out there. PRX run about the same as SRX passive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 Carvin has a coaxial monitor (like the microwedge) for a decent price:http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=TRX12N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 EAW VRM12 is in that range also. http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/21956/0/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted December 22, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 EAW VRM12 is in that range also.http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/21956/0/ I think those are even smaller than my JBLs!... which I like, but again, how do they sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 Read the link I sent you. I know the guy that wrote it and fully trust his assessment. I have not heard them myself, but he used them for the last year and loves them (as others also said.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 BTW I'd probably go with the Radian Apex 1200 over the SRX712M in the just under $1k price range. These are a slightly redesigned MicroWedge - Radian sold the rights to the original to EAW and just tweaked it a bit and renamed it so they could continue to make it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dennis a Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 Some used Radian Microwedges can probably be found for a reasonable price. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted December 22, 2009 Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 As a band owning your own system, I'd stick with horn on the side wedges that have a pole mount. This gives you a FOH backup in an emergency or if you need more FOH speakers for an event. I'd also think they'd appeal to a wider audience if you ever sold them. The MRX would seem to fit your needs and budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted December 22, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 22, 2009 That's a good point... thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcastar Posted December 23, 2009 Members Share Posted December 23, 2009 QSC HPR112i or PRX512m if you want powered. Otherwise the MRX512 is a great choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted December 23, 2009 Members Share Posted December 23, 2009 I also like the idea of buying a product made in the USA as well... :lol::lol: ... out of what? I used the Radian wedges for years and they are great. I also used an old Peavey coax back in the 80's (best speaker they ever made). I haven't tried the Carvins, so I couldn't endose them ... but it's great looking on paper. I also have never tried, but would like to, the Cerwin Vega coax monitors. Coax rocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby1Note Posted December 23, 2009 Members Share Posted December 23, 2009 Thanks! I know there was a thread about the Alto coaxial awhile back. Here's some info on the Alto MS12MA coaxial monitor. It uses a 16-voice "modeling amp"???? An invitation to feedback??? http://www.altoproaudio.com/index.php?template=3&id_prod=122183472405707&id_padre= There's also an 8" version, and a 10" version; http://www.altoproaudio.com/index.php?template=5&id_padre=121628127408787 Here's an online dealer; http://www.directproaudio.com/product.cfm?directid=59948 Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 23, 2009 Members Share Posted December 23, 2009 Co-axial can do very well but it also limits the designer to a specific horn geometry that may or may not work well for the application. Just because irt's coaxial doesn't automatically mean it's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted December 24, 2009 Members Share Posted December 24, 2009 Here's some info on the Alto MS12MA coaxial monitor. It uses a 16-voice "modeling amp"???? An invitation to feedback??? So, you're supposed to ask the talent if they prefer MicroWedges, EV, JBL, etc and switch their modelers to that ? That's just whack ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldschooler Posted December 24, 2009 Members Share Posted December 24, 2009 I am very surprise that the Yamaha club series haven't been brought up. The CM 12s are on sale for 600 the pair right now. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-CM12V-12--2-Way-Club-Monitor-773237-i1320191.gc They are the most common bar band monitor, I see. Second would be Mackie 450s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dennis a Posted December 24, 2009 Members Share Posted December 24, 2009 So, you're supposed to ask the talent if they prefer MicroWedges, EV, JBL, etc and switch their modelers to that ? That's just whack ... EAW's high end processor, the UX8800 has 3 different greybox settings for the EAW MicroWedge. Alto has copied the concept and offers 16 different settings...I'm sure you get what you pay for. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members banddad Posted December 24, 2009 Members Share Posted December 24, 2009 +1 for the Yamahas as a good value at their price point (as voted by my wallet). IMHO, the minimum for musical monitors. +1 for the JBL's mentioned above (MRX-512) at the next price point. The JBL SRX712's are awesome speakers too, at a higher price point (we have these for FOH now). As you go up in $$$ you get better speakers, with more bass and the ability to use more power and get more volume. There is a theme here... What's your budget - and real need? Any of these will keep up with a typical drummer on stage, all can be drowned out by guitars with stacks playing (way too) loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby1Note Posted December 24, 2009 Members Share Posted December 24, 2009 So, you're supposed to ask the talent if they prefer MicroWedges, EV, JBL, etc and switch their modelers to that ? That's just whack ... Ya, but what if it's Sinatra, Pavarotti,,,,,, or Susan Boyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted December 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 24, 2009 Thanks all... I've got what I need I think... unless there are more folks out there that have used the coaxial stuff. FWIW, I get plenty of volume from the monitors we have, but we're getting better gigs and would like to look a little more "put-together" and just can't justify the time and money to totally rehab 20+ year old wedges. Dropping some weight would also be nice! Heck, swapping all four for the MRX512m monitors would drop nearly 80lb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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