Members Telecruiser Posted December 28, 2009 Members Share Posted December 28, 2009 As I have posted before, I am putting together a small PA for our acoustic group. One of the suggestions was to add an EQ. I am looking at either the DBX 1231 or 2231. What would be the advantage/dissadvantage over either one? My components so far are an Allen Heath Mixwiz 16:2 and two JBL EON 510's. Also, I am accepting other EQ recommendations as well. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1tribe Posted December 28, 2009 Members Share Posted December 28, 2009 The DBX 231 is a decent EQ as well esp if your on a budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Telecruiser Posted December 28, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 28, 2009 The DBX 231 is a decent EQ as well esp if your on a budget. The price tag doesn't bother me (too much) for either of these units. I just want to know which one would be better suited to my needs. BTW, I'll check the 231 out. Ooooh! Just saw the DBX iEQ 31. Interesting........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members smitty0069 Posted December 28, 2009 Members Share Posted December 28, 2009 I've owned the 231 & still have 2ea. 1231's, 1ea 2231, and 1 ea. 2031. I've also owned the GQX3102 & KT DN360. For my money.... the 1231 is the way to go IMO. The 2231 & 2031 are nice units, but you pay for some features that may or may not be necessary for your application ( limiter, noise reduction, etc.). You'll have to decide there, but personally I can't tell any worthwhile differance in sound quality between the units. In fact.....the 231 is a perfectly fine unit, especially if money and rack space are a consideration. Having said that, I prefer the 1231 in most scenarios......especially the ones that are at my expense . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vinny D Posted December 28, 2009 Members Share Posted December 28, 2009 I have (2) 1231 & (1) 2031 DBX EQ's and they both are nice units.The sliders on the 2031 are much smoother, more of a *pro* feel to them but both units function about the same.As mentioned the 2031/2231 series EQ has noise reduction and limiter features which are nice features to have but really not a big deal if you decide not to have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted December 28, 2009 Members Share Posted December 28, 2009 Bang for buck is the 1231. The 2231 does feel better in operation, but I cannot hear any difference between them with the level of system I usually use them on. If money is not an issue, get the 2231 since it does feel good and has extras. If money is tight and it just has to sound good, buy the 1231 and be done. The 231 works and sounds fine, but the limited throw bothers me in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 28, 2009 Members Share Posted December 28, 2009 The real difference is in the look/feel. There is circuitry differences but it's really insignificant and for simplicity I prefer the 1200 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike M Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 The price tag doesn't bother me (too much) for either of these units. If the price is no object to you, I'd go with the dbx2231. I own/use three of these units. Most of the time I use two 2231's (one channel for foh and the other three for 3 monitor mixes). On one of my rigs, I do use the limitting feature on my foh (Yorkville E152) mid/high cabs. My rationale is simple: you may not need the added features now, but they may (will) come in handy in the future....similar to purchasing a mixer with a couple extra channels that you don't need now - You will need them later. Best, Mike M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 If the price is no object to you, I'd go with the dbx2231. I own/use three of these units. Most of the time I use two 2231's (one channel for foh and the other three for 3 monitor mixes).On one of my rigs, I do use the limitting feature on my foh (Yorkville E152) mid/high cabs. My rationale is simple: you may not need the added features now, but they may (will) come in handy in the future....similar to purchasing a mixer with a couple extra channels that you don't need now - You will need them later.Best, Mike M Useless features IMO. Most power amps have real limiting built in, and if you size your power amps reasonably, it's better limiting than what's in the eq. The noise reduction is also unnecessary... if you have noise problems, you have other problems as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members garageman Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 why don't you use the EQ on the mix wiz ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 why don't you use the EQ on the mix wiz ?? Different kind of eq. We are discussing 31 band graphic eq, not input channel eq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members garageman Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 Different kind of eq. We are discussing 31 band graphic eq, not input channel eq. Believe me, I understand the difference !!Just wondering if he really needs it ?? but, if you're dead set to get a graphic eq,checkout the Rane eqs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mshifflett Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 No one should be without an FOH 31-band EQ in my opinion. You never know what each room is going to throw at you that you need to adjust quickly and easily. I have a few of the 1231 units and I love them. And I agree, I think the other features on the 2231 are not needed since you should be limiting elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 Believe me, I understand the difference !!Just wondering if he really needs it ?? You should have a channel of 31-band EQ on every output, for feedback control and to get rid of annoying resonances and things like that. I use the 1231's, love them. 2231's feel a little better but are functionally the same, the NR and limiter functions are useless. 231's work fine but I can't deal with short throw faders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 Believe me, I understand the difference !!Just wondering if he really needs it ?? Didn't sound like it from your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gonzobassman Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 I will be useing 231s.Two for four monitor mixes,and one for FOH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 I will be useing 231s.Two for four monitor mixes,and one for FOH. They work well, I have installed probably 30 or 40 of them and no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 Also might consider Rane my ex retired drummer picked one up at pawn shop at a good price and sold it to me for the the same price he paid and probably one of the cleanest EQ's I ever heard considering a lot of EQ's out there do add more floor noise. The Rane is almost dead quite considering it replaced my old 70's model MXR EQ which was pretty freaking noisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 The 231'a are also very quiet, as are many others. Even my 20 year old Yamaha eq's are very quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteinbergerHack Posted December 31, 2009 Members Share Posted December 31, 2009 No one should be without an FOH 31-band EQ in my opinion. You never know what each room is going to throw at you that you need to adjust quickly and easily. Frankly, I would suggest that it's even more important on monitors. If the singers can't hear themselves properly (i.e. a poor monitor response) or if there's feedback, no amount of EQ on the FOH is going to make it sound good.... Bottom line: A good 31-band EQ is a must on every send from the board. Also, if you aren't accustomed to EQ'ing a system, a shareware RTA program (like TrueRTA) on a laptop with a calibrated mic and pink noise source can go a long way towards getting your system sounding right and helping train your ear. It won't cost too much to put together, and it can make a world of difference - particularly if you don't have tons of experience setting up a system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mshifflett Posted January 1, 2010 Members Share Posted January 1, 2010 Their need on monitor mixes goes without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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